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S23 anyone?
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T&H
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Its been around a while. No one here fools with sarms, better luck on anabolicminds or some forum like that. No sense trying those when real proven steroids work.
What were your results like? Were you cutting or bulking?
having tried all orals, prohormones and sarms except for anadrol I'm putting s23 in my top2
No annoying sides such as water retention, heartburn or extreme fatigue(etc superdrol and dbol, M1t)
as for the bad... it will sterilize you and make your sleep terrible
If you try it then get back to me after and lets sync up our experiences, I want to gather more data on s23
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All orals aside from anadrol? That’s ALOT of drugs. So superior to winstrol, anavar, halo, turinabol, etc? Curious which criteria you’re basing it on? What is your #1 and why?
Sterilize? What do you mean when you write that? Induced sterilization is a permanent affliction. It doesn’t do that. It did show strong temporary contraceptive effects in rats. Nothing that I’ve ever read in humans, but I don’t keep up with sarm data very closely.
try it yourself and we'll compare cliffnotes afterwards
Try stuff. recycling the same four injectables is very boring
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No need to get defensive. I was genuinely asking what criteria you were using to define it as your 2nd best oral. By most accounts, it's similar in effect to drugs like winstrol and halotestin.
And I was one of the guys that used sarms before I "graduated" to actual aas. Never found much utility in them except I did get pretty strong when using rad-140. But not much in the way of muscle gain. Honestly, these days that's more in line with my goals than getting much bigger.
As for continually using the "same 4 injectables", if I find what really works for my goals then I'll likely not deviate from that. But that's just a difference of opinion.
I'm using superdrol as a benchmark here, ended a superdrol cycle then switched to s-23 a week later and everything came on much cleaner and solid
Also lost most of the superdrol "gains" during that week, deflated it away
what's your favorite stuff to run then? Preferably the stuff that isn't wet or pure glycogen loading
I still want to compare cliffnotes though, lol. I like hearing what works well for people so that I might leech on a fine idea
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I’m really interested in this topic: short-acting PEDs which don’t cause water retention or weight gain via glycogen/creatine/whatever loading in the muscle (IE fullness).
Here’s the shortlist of things I’ve tried:
Anavar
Halotestin
Winstrol
Tbol
Ostarine
And the things I’ve yet to try but look like they belong on the list:
Metribolone
Methyl 1-testosterone
Furazabol
S23
S4
APC-105
RAD-140
TLB-150
YK-11
Nothing to say about these other than “more research is needed”
Same.
M1t gave me the mooniest of moon faces. Mtren is a kick but it made me spit blood when I took 3mg of it at once orally
Pulpfiction
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I know this thread is old but it’s very good in my opinion, I’ve ran almost every compound except for primo, also never ran any of the pro hormones beside Superdrol and all the sarms besides a few of them. S23 is something I’ve kept on hand for many cycles. During a cruise I’ll keep my test at 200 and have s23 at 15-20 mg and I don’t notice to much in strength but as far as body comp it keeps me pretty dry and lean, even when my diet isn’t the greatest. That being said I am on trt so I can’t say what it’s like running it without test.
It is a good idea to try, at least imo many different compounds to see which are the best or better for overall health and body comp. Mast, npp, test, and tbol are some of my favs
It is a good idea to try, at least imo many different compounds to see which are the best or better for overall health and body comp. Mast, npp, test, and tbol are some of my favs
Looking4gainzz
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As a fellow experimenter of all things PED or AAS, I understand your desire to test the functionality and effects of many different compounds even if they may not work as well as the tried and true Dbol or A-bombs, I enjoy the experience of logging the aesthetic and strength related effects of all types of androgens.
Here’s the obscure orals I’ve tried:
Dienolone Transdermal gel
Trestolone Transdermal Gel
Trenavar
dimethandrostenolone Madol
Methylstenbolone MSTEN
Dymethazine DMZ
Superdrol
Epistane
Halodrol
Methyl 1 Alpha
Methyl 1 testosterone M1T
Hexadrone
S23
YK11
Ostarine
Rad 140
LGD 4033
ACP 105
S4 Andarine
Cardarine
Pheraplex desoxymethyltestosterone DMT
There’s probably a few more I have neglected to include as well.
As far as pound for pound mass gains I’d say the best of those in top 5 were:
1.PHERAPLEX — (this is my favorite oral steroid I have ever tried or probably will try. The euphoria of being on it is very similar to dbol but for me felt much more pronounced than even 100mg of dbol. These are the only two compounds I have ever experienced an almost “Perma-high” sensation while using them. If only some lab on here would start producing it in Raws I could die a happy, swole man!)
2.MSTEN—For whatever reason my body just utilizes this oral better than almost every other I have tried. I don’t feel as toxic on 30mg of MSTEN as 10mg of superdrol and I can run it longer and it produces an almost equivalent strength boost as well. This is another compound that I believe actually works as well as anadrol or for sure winstrol with the scale actually tipping to MSTEN for me in potency.
3.Dienolone TD—This was a huge shock to me that it performed as incredibly as it did. I was skeptical of transdermal applied compounds in general but I decided to give it a whirl when my buddy offered me a bottle for next to nothing. It was formulated at 150mg per ml or squirt and I decided to run it at 300mg or two ml per day. After reaching the third week I reached out to that same buddy and bought 4 more bottles!!!! Up to that point (which was earlier on in my AAS journey to be fair) it was the most effective compound I had ever used. At the time I had only tried all the main sarms, a few 500-700mg test only cycles, and one gram of test and 30mg of LGD hybrid cycle. I was running a 600mg Test prop base alongside the dienolone as well. I ended up running that stuff for around 14-15 weeks total despite it being my first major 19nor cycle I had close to ZERO side effects that I could discern outside of night sweats and a slight increase in sweating during carb heavy meals. I went from a sloppy 198 at around 16% to a dennnnnse 206 at 12%! I was eating about 300 calories above maintenance with little to zero care about what I ate so tons of dirty processed shit, but my body just took it all and refined and compressed my physique every day! Overall after running an ACtUAL tren cycle later down the line, I’d say that I had a very similar effect from the 300mg of topical Dienolone as I would have gotten from about 100-150mg of Tren A. However I will point out that the side effects were far less in all aspects than a comparable tren dose.
Out of the sarm family of compounds I’ll give my top 3
1.YK11—I fucking love this compound! I find it to be an incredibly effective adjunctive tool to add on to other cycles in many different situations. On its own at around 10mg I would say it’s one of the BEST PWO drugs I’ve ever used. I get more strength and aggression than 50-100mg of Anadrol or even like 75-100mg TNE! That purpose alone is how I could justify keeping a little around for a big plateau break, but wait there’s more! On top of the S-Tier aggression, I find that it works fairl well as a growth promoter in its own right. In my experience running it alongside 400mg of test C at 15mg Inj YK I was able to put on about 3 pounds of muscle in a 11 week period. Nothing insane I know but all gains made were lean mass and I didn’t need to grind it out to put the mass on. I definetly increased my intensity in the gym due to the YK but overall I changed very little from my cruise prior. I’d say it’s fairly equivalent in potency for mass gains to winstrol at least the injectable form of yk I mean. One final component that makes YK the bees knees baby please, is the possible inhibition of myostatin through some downstream mechanisms. This is the most debated and least evidentiary based aspect of the drugs effects due to there just not being enough studies done to prove it’s veracity as a true myostatin inhibitor or not. What I do know from personal anecdotal research on myself is that I notice an overall boost to any cycle I have ever added YK into the mix. This is a NOTICEABLE boost that definetly is not down to placebo or some other aspect of my training or diet. If I add 15mg of injectable YK to my current stack, I would be harder and stronger almost immediately. Maybe it’s just the extra aggression in the gym who knows, but I love the shit regardless.
2.S23—Pretty legit sarm overall. Very dry, insanely similar effects to high dose anavar for me personally. Boosts strength a good amount not insane like YK but a good little bump. This is more of a hardening tool in the belt as opposed to the wetter mass builder options so the mass gains aren’t going to blow any experienced AAS user away by any means. However, with proper diet and training it can really shine as a little extra on a cruise or TRT+ regimen without the methylated sides. For me effective doses around 30-50mg
3.LGD 4033—The classic mass gainer sarm. The closest a sarm can ever get to being a “wet” compound. I think it’s pretty underrated as an addition to a cruise cycle or for someone who wants an extra boost in the gym but doesn’t want to touch or can’t touch the harsher methylated oral AAS more widely used. At 10mg and a 300mg test base I put on about 5 pounds in around 12 weeks. I was eating about 1k over my maintenance training and diet were ooooon point. I think only 2-3 of those pounds were lean mass but overall for a non methylated option I think that’s pretty decent.
I’ll be honest I enjoyed the period of experimenting I went through trialing these sarms out but that was like 5 years back now and I’m much more experienced in all AAS. I have not needed to buy any more sarms since I did those experiments simply because there are much better options…steroids! I still have a couple grams of YK around for PWO and Cardarine is great for lowering my cholesterol numbers and making cardio a breeze lol. Outside of those two and MK677, which I don’t count as a sarm, I think that test, Var, Tbol, EQ, and NPP are all comparatively safer and dr more EFFECTIVE compounds for bodybuilding purposes.
Man….I gotta quit taking my adderall so closely to my PWO, this is one rambling ass post hahaha
Pulpfiction
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I was thinking of trying msten on a cruise later in the year but haven’t or don’t know anyone who has had any experience with it. Sounds pretty promising
How did you get on with the tbol, halo and ostarine sides wise and doses.
I've recently used anavar, was pleasantly surprised with it, always thought it'd be a 'weak' compound over the stigma that surrounds it but I found it did visually improve how I looked, whilst leaning out obviously more diet related, and strength shot up
I generally stick to about 20mg a day for most orals (obviously not for metribolone though!!)
Tbol - I just don’t like the mood it puts me in. The first day I took it it made me euphorically happy. Ever since though, it’s given me a blunted mood and mildly dysphoric feeling. I started it a week before a climbing trip and it didn’t lead to any noticeable performance boost. Whether it could aid me in making performance gains during a 3-week training mesocycle remains to be seen (note I’m interested in performance gains rather than muscle mass).
Halo - I’ve never used it for an extended period. Just for one-off performance days (I’m not sure it’s been much of a help but more research is needed). It’s quite long lasting and it definitely feels like you’re on a drug. I feel rinsed out the next day like I’ve taken a stimulant or something. Overall it just seems like too much hard work to commit to a few weeks of taking it.
Ostarine - this was the first compound I took before I was on TRT. It provided me with extreme motivation to train (bear in mind I was naive to PEDs at the time), but pushing the dose up to 20 or 25mg, felt a bit much. I remember having tightness across my chest after a workout and I was worried my heart was under strain. I’d love to revisit it now I’m more experienced with androgens and how they make me feel.
Any comparison between winny and s23?
