Thoughts on my cycle

[AMG23]

Starting my first cycle, looking to get some lean gains and weight loss. Currently I weigh 190 and my bmi is pretty bad actually at 27.
Going to be running 250mg/wk test cyp, 300mg/wk primo, 30mg/day Anavar and thinking of adding in 20-30mg Tbol on training days. Also looking to get on TRT as my test levels were at 285nmol/l last time I checked. Would going through an official TRT clinic like Hone prevent me cycling?

 

[Wunderpus]

Lean out as much as possible naturally, first. Your results will be MUCH better.

 

[Rido]

Matrix hormones would not agree AAS abuse but wouldn't abandon you as a patient.(they can't say they allow it)


I would disagree with the natural part. Your testosterone is poor, enough for TRT...

Go on TRT and lean out. You can blast later if you want...


What's your training and nutrition knowledge? Background?

 

[Millard]

my bmi is pretty bad actually at 27

Did you mean BF instead of BMI?
Because BMI doesn't tell us much about your body composition. Many super lean bodybuilders have a higher BMI too. It's not very meaningful in bodybuilding circles.

 

[Vanargandar]

Age and height? Also how long have you been training?

 

[kosp]

for first cycle stick to basics: 500mg of test + dbol

no weight loss goals for a first cycle... enjoy the newbie blow-up.

 

[AMG23]

Age and height? Also how long have you been training?

Just turned 30, I’m 5’10. Been training since 23 but did not really become dedicated as in following diet and taking correct supplements and counting macros till 25 or 26 so give or take 4 or 5 years. Just feel like I’ve hit my limit somewhat as my weight and BF% have been increasing instead of decreasing since I turned 30 last year.

 

[Cochiloco]

Starting my first cycle, looking to get some lean gains and weight loss. Currently I weigh 190 and my bmi is pretty bad actually at 27.
Going to be running 250mg/wk test cyp, 300mg/wk primo, 30mg/day Anavar and thinking of adding in 20-30mg Tbol on training days. Also looking to get on TRT as my test levels were at 285nmol/l last time I checked. Would going through an official TRT clinic like Hone prevent me cycling?

The gear won't make you lose weight, diet and training will. That being said most people are more motivated while on gear. It would be better to be lean before you cycle but if you are dead set on it then I would stick with the test and primo, no need for the orals really.

As far as TRT and cycling that is tricky.

 

[Rido]

for first cycle stick to basics: 500mg of test + dbol

no weight loss goals for a first cycle... enjoy the newbie blow-up.

That is not the basic. that is terrible advice.. he has a high bf and will aromatize like crazy

 

[kosp]

That is not the basic. that is terrible advice.. he has a high bf and will aromatize like crazy

sure, i forgot to add that he should be reasonably lean before doing it

 

[Rido]

sure, i forgot to add that he should be reasonably lean before doing it

Even with dbol... There is no reason to. He would make alot of gains by going on trt and tripling his test levels

 

[kosp]

Even with dbol... There is no reason to. He would make alot of gains by going on trt and tripling his test levels

it´s his first cycle, I think he should do it the full way, first cycle is always best, then later worry about TRT if his natty TT is low.

 

[Rido]

The gear won't make you lose weight, diet and training will. That being said most people are more motivated while on gear. It would be better to be lean before you cycle but if you are dead set on it then I would stick with the test and primo, no need for the orals really.

As far as TRT and cycling that is tricky.

My trt clinic knows I blast and cruise. Just saying

 

[Rido]

it´s his first cycle, I think he should do it the full way, first cycle is always best, then later worry about TRT if his natty TT is low.

His natty test levels are 285....


It's best because it resets his setpoint of potential. I had more gains on my 3rd cycle than 1 which were still phenomenal.


He can recomp if he knows training and nutrition well.

 

[Leg_locker]

I don't think running 2 different orals and 4 compounds all together for your first cycle would be a good idea.
If you have a bad reaction there no way of tell which compound is doing it.

I agree with @Cridi887 go through a legit trt clinic get comfortable with injections and how you react to test alone. lean out as much as possible then consider blasting later

 

[Vanargandar]

I'd say the same as everyone else; just focus on getting your levels higher through a TRT clinic. More likely than not, they'll prescribe you 200mg per week, an AI (which you probably won't need), and HCG. Like @Leg_locker and @Cridi887 said, just get comfortable with injections and see how you feel on a "TRT" dose of Test before adding in all these exotic compounds, orals, etc. If you need a recommendation for a clinic, feel free to DM me or anyone who's responded that knows what they're talking about (not saying I do, lol).

 

[AMG23]

Matrix hormones would not agree AAS abuse but wouldn't abandon you as a patient.(they can't say they allow it)


I would disagree with the natural part. Your testosterone is poor, enough for TRT...

Go on TRT and lean out. You can blast later if you want...


What's your training and nutrition knowledge? Background

Yea I agree my T is very low, horrible actually. It’s pretty sad tbh.

I mean, I’m not an expert with training and nutrition but I know the basics. Like counting macros, avoiding carbs, dieting and following a good training protocol.

Right now I’m just concerned cause for the last year I have been gaining body fat instead of losing it, I think your right though on the trt thing

 

[AMG23]

I'd say the same as everyone else; just focus on getting your levels higher through a TRT clinic. More likely than not, they'll prescribe you 200mg per week, an AI (which you probably won't need), and HCG. Like @Leg_locker and @Cridi887 said, just get comfortable with injections and see how you feel on a "TRT" dose of Test before adding in all these exotic compounds, orals, etc. If you need a recommendation for a clinic, feel free to DM me or anyone who's responded that knows what they're talking about (not saying I do, lol).

What clinics are these? The one I have been considering is Hone Health through my research

 

[Rido]

Yea I agree my T is very low, horrible actually. It’s pretty sad tbh.

I mean, I’m not an expert with training and nutrition but I know the basics. Like counting macros, avoiding carbs, dieting and following a good training protocol.

Right now I’m just concerned cause for the last year I have been gaining body fat instead of losing it, I think your right though on the trt thing

Do 4-6 months in of trt. You won't regret. While you do that, you can do some more reading here.

 

[LescoBrandon]

for first cycle stick to basics: 500mg of test + dbol

no weight loss goals for a first cycle... enjoy the newbie blow-up.

why the fuck are you telling someone to use dbol for their FIRST cycle? he has no idea how hell respond to test alone, especially in regards to aromatization and you want to add something like dbol?