Test E and Aromasin Timing

[Grimmsnarl13]

Hey MesoRX,

Background:
I'm 3 weeks into my first cycle. It's very simple, 250mg test e E3.5D. Mid-week 2 I started getting high blood pressure and anxiety, my face constantly red and my head feeling pressure. So I took that as a sign of E2 and introduce 10mg aromasin on injection days. This week the sides aren't going away so I'm increasing the aromasin frequency. I'm scheduled to get bloodwork next Monday so I'll have some data then.

Question:
As I'm figuring out the aromasin dosage that works for me, I'm getting a bit confused. If test spikes on injection day and then goes down, then wouldn't it be bad to take aromasin daily or EOD? Also, online it says aromasin has a half life of 24 hours but other sources say it takes 2-3 days to take effect. Do you all have a method for calculating this stuff or just keep playing until you feel fine?

Thanks in advance for the help! I want to get this fixed to I can move forward.

 

[Fonzie1234]

Hey MesoRX,

Background:
I'm 3 weeks into my first cycle. It's very simple, 250mg test e E3.5D. Mid-week 2 I started getting high blood pressure and anxiety, my face constantly red and my head feeling pressure. So I took that as a sign of E2 and introduce 10mg aromasin on injection days. This week the sides aren't going away so I'm increasing the aromasin frequency. I'm scheduled to get bloodwork next Monday so I'll have some data then.

Question:
As I'm figuring out the aromasin dosage that works for me, I'm getting a bit confused. If test spikes on injection day and then goes down, then wouldn't it be bad to take aromasin daily or EOD? Also, online it says aromasin has a half life of 24 hours but other sources say it takes 2-3 days to take effect. Do you all have a method for calculating this stuff or just keep playing until you feel fine?

Thanks in advance for the help! I want to get this fixed to I can move forward.

How did you meassure your BP? How high is it? If it's high it can be diet related also not just E2 related.

You should get blood work to determine if you need an AI or not.

When I did take an AI it was anastrozole at 1mg the day I injected and E2 came back at 16 with 150mg of test. I was also pretty fucking fat then as well.

Alot of people can manage E2 with Primobolan. That's what I do now. 300mg of test and 300mg of Primo had my E2 at 21. I now run my test a little higher than primo because I'm substantially leaner.

You can manipulate how much you aromatize by increasing injection frequency also.

But with all that said you need to get blood work to determine if you need to use an AI.

 

[Grimmsnarl13]

It's usually around 142 or 150 but when I get stressed and anxiety goes up, it's gone up to 172/90. It's using a BP monitor I bought at CVS. I'm already using the AI because the pressure and anxiety was a bit unbearable at points. I'm feeling slightly better today, so the AI might be helping. Will see when bloodwork comes back. Mainly want to know how people determine the AI dose for themselves.

 

[T&H]

It's usually around 142 or 150 but when I get stressed and anxiety goes up, it's gone up to 172/90. It's using a BP monitor I bought at CVS. I'm already using the AI because the pressure and anxiety was a bit unbearable at points. I'm feeling slightly better today, so the AI might be helping. Will see when bloodwork comes back. Mainly want to know how people determine the AI dose for themselves.

Most determine with bloodwork at a consistent test and ai dose, if taking an ai. I'd continue your dose until bloodwork comes. Post the E2 when you get it back.

 

[Fonzie1234]

It's usually around 142 or 150 but when I get stressed and anxiety goes up, it's gone up to 172/90. It's using a BP monitor I bought at CVS. I'm already using the AI because the pressure and anxiety was a bit unbearable at points. I'm feeling slightly better today, so the AI might be helping. Will see when bloodwork comes back. Mainly want to know how people determine the AI dose for themselves.

Has it lowered since taking the AI?

I'm not sure how everyone doses their AI. I assume they start with a dose, check bloods and adjust from there.

Anxiety is a bitch to deal with and I'm sure it creates a negative feedback loop with your BP.

Anxiety creates higher BP, higher BP creates more anxiety and so on and so on.

 

[Rido]

I like to Grab bloods before..., can take an AI if you need to after the sample is collected. Are you on any BP meds? It's not always e2...

 

[Ooohlala]

Test enh peaks 24h after injection, stays peak-high for 3 days and, then, starts decreasing. As you're taking 3.5 days injections, your test levels will be peak high all week. Despite it's short half-life, Aromasin's anti estrogenic action hits its peak only 5 days after being taken ("half life" is different from "active life", due to pharmacokinetics and metabolic pathways). So, in your case, as testosterone will always be peak-high (with little variation after the first 2 shots), it won't really matter when you take aromasin. What matters more is the dose. You don't want to crush your e2 levels. But we all aromatize differently, so what works for one person may not work for another. I do believe you are crushimg your estrogen, but only blood works will tell for sure.

In my experience - and for as controversial and counter-intuitive as this may seem -, taking a single dose of testosterone per week is better for both gains and mitigation of side effects than distributing the shots. 500mg test e in a single shot and taking aromasin 24h hours before may not be a bad protocol at all. Main problem is aromasin/exemestane is faked a lot (sometimes substituted for cheaper ai's) and, for that reason, it doesn't work as expected, but, because people rarely lab test ai's, this unfortunate situation passes under the radar. As other people said, you have to test e2 and experiment with the your ai dosage. There are many people who take 500mg/week test e and do not even need serms/ai for sides. There are others (like myself), who'll get sensitive nipples at 125mg every 3.5 days. So, we're all different regarding aromatization.

 

[Titan18]

Get bloods on test only after a couple weeks. See where e2 is. Then introduce AI and retest. Adjust AI as needed.

 

[Louie_bat]

Hey MesoRX,

Background:
I'm 3 weeks into my first cycle. It's very simple, 250mg test e E3.5D. Mid-week 2 I started getting high blood pressure and anxiety, my face constantly red and my head feeling pressure. So I took that as a sign of E2 and introduce 10mg aromasin on injection days. This week the sides aren't going away so I'm increasing the aromasin frequency. I'm scheduled to get bloodwork next Monday so I'll have some data then.

Question:
As I'm figuring out the aromasin dosage that works for me, I'm getting a bit confused. If test spikes on injection day and then goes down, then wouldn't it be bad to take aromasin daily or EOD? Also, online it says aromasin has a half life of 24 hours but other sources say it takes 2-3 days to take effect. Do you all have a method for calculating this stuff or just keep playing until you feel fine?

Thanks in advance for the help! I want to get this fixed to I can move forward.

High BP is not an indication of needing an AI per say. If it's your first cycle, then the test definitely can raise BP and anxiety at first. It will go down eventually but definitely get bloods to determine E2.
In the meantime I would look at your sodium intake while your bulking.
More food, could mean more sodium intake, and that can have an impact on BP.
Are you tracking everything you eat?

 

[Grimmsnarl13]

Thanks for all the help everyone! A couple updates since I posted:

Hormone Bloodwork 1/23/23
All normal except:
Estradiol: 54
Total Test: 4925
Free Test: 1933.1
HDL: 38
LDL: 122

Other Notables:
-I've been taking 10mg aromasin EOD for over a week now.
-I'm still not feeling that "great" feeling I did feel momentarily a few times and that most steroid users describe.
-My BP has gone down to 138/82.
-My libido is mixed. Not shot but not great.
-Based on feedback, it seems a lot of the anxiety, heart rate, and similar symptoms I've been feeling is just my body reacting to hormonal shifts and high testosterone.
-I've been pinning my quads because I get too shaky twisting for glutes. My quads have swelled 6/8 times. This might be causing some of the distress. I switched to ventrogluteal today so far so good.
-I track everything I eat, mainly calories and protein.

Should I be worried about my E2 being at 54?

 

[Rido]

Thanks for all the help everyone! A couple updates since I posted:

Hormone Bloodwork 1/23/23
All normal except:
Estradiol: 54
Total Test: 4925
Free Test: 1933.1
HDL: 38
LDL: 122

Other Notables:
-I've been taking 10mg aromasin EOD for over a week now.
-I'm still not feeling that "great" feeling I did feel momentarily a few times and that most steroid users describe.
-My BP has gone down to 138/82.
-My libido is mixed. Not shot but not great.
-Based on feedback, it seems a lot of the anxiety, heart rate, and similar symptoms I've been feeling is just my body reacting to hormonal shifts and high testosterone.
-I've been pinning my quads because I get too shaky twisting for glutes. My quads have swelled 6/8 times. This might be causing some of the distress. I switched to ventrogluteal today so far so good.
-I track everything I eat, mainly calories and protein.

Should I be worried about my E2 being at 54?

You have a 10x multiplier on 500 test?

Learn how to do a ventrogluteal, you shouldn't have to turn much.. or give it to yourself in your delt.

 

[Grimmsnarl13]

You have a 10x multiplier on 500 test?

Learn how to do a ventrogluteal, you shouldn't have to turn much.. or give it to yourself in your delt.

How much test should I have?

I pinned ventogluteal today. So far so good. My quads have been messed up.

 

[Whopperflopper]

Pretty good idea where you got your gear. I dont understand how you respond so well, yet have so many issues.

 

[Grimmsnarl13]

Pretty good idea where you got your gear. I dont understand how you respond so well, yet have so many issues.

Why does where I got my gear matter?

My body tends to be very sensitive (high risk/reward). For example, one puff of weed sends me places and I'm sensitive to certain foods. I didn't think it would apply to test but maybe it does?

 

[Whopperflopper]

Why does where I got my gear matter?

My body tends to be very sensitive (high risk/reward). For example, one puff of weed sends me places and I'm sensitive to certain foods. I didn't think it would apply to test but maybe it does?

I think your gear is dosed properly, and your weed is dosed. I'm taking my boots off and going to bed.