First cycle

[Stretch4747]

Yeah dude you are in killer shape for your age being natty. I mean I started early so I can't sit hear and tell you you're too young but I did it for financial reasons in a way. When i was playing college football we had dudes on gear (everyone was on gear) that were even 23 that weren't in the shape you're in.

 

[OmL]

What I can contribute here. I live where you live, and your doctor and the HSE are not prepared for male HRT. It’s fully established for women, it’s being trialled for trans people with a huge delay. But for guys? It’s not there. You’re 21, In great shape and you have fully functioning systems.

You WILL regret this in years to come. It might be this year, might be 5 years. But you will regret it. I’ve gone thru doctors, and endocrinologist’s in hospitals within the HSE. And I can’t stress this e light, the system is not there to help us.

You can private mail me and I’ll answer what I can if you need help. But that’s all I offer, help.

My curiosity wants to know what source are you using? Because our guns are flooded with ‘Mexican’ steroids with frequent spelling errors on labels, and even some hand written labels.

 

[DiaDuit]

What I can contribute here. I live where you live, and your doctor and the HSE are not prepared for male HRT. It’s fully established for women, it’s being trialled for trans people with a huge delay. But for guys? It’s not there. You’re 21, In great shape and you have fully functioning systems.

You WILL regret this in years to come. It might be this year, might be 5 years. But you will regret it. I’ve gone thru doctors, and endocrinologist’s in hospitals within the HSE. And I can’t stress this e light, the system is not there to help us.

You can private mail me and I’ll answer what I can if you need help. But that’s all I offer, help.

My curiosity wants to know what source are you using? Because our guns are flooded with ‘Mexican’ steroids with frequent spelling errors on labels, and even some hand written labels.

What’s your email? If that’s what you’re referring to as mailing

 

[DiaDuit]

Yeah dude you are in killer shape for your age being natty. I mean I started early so I can't sit hear and tell you you're too young but I did it for financial reasons in a way. When i was playing college football we had dudes on gear (everyone was on gear) that were even 23 that weren't in the shape you're in.

Thanks man. I’m on the fence on taking my second shot on Tuesday. Especially after reading your guys’ comments. Just want to really unlock my full potential and hopefully compete/powerlift eventually.

 

[OmL]

What’s your email? If that’s what you’re referring to as mailing

You should be able to start a private chat here. If you allow it on your settings.

 

[bornSkinny]

Aromasin. Lord forbid that happens but i suppose up my dosage of it. I was going to start out with 25 mg after first week and feel it out, as everyone reacts differently im aware that there is no definitive answer. Any knowledge i am more than willing to absorb. What would you guys recommend as a starting dosage? Given that i am starting with 500MG Test E a week. Still debating on running Anavar as well.. Thanks.

I’m not sure what kind of Lord you were hoping for, but gyno is common and while some people won’t have an issue at 500test, others definitely will.

You won’t know until the concentrations build in your system for a few weeks.

Your AI will block the conversion and prevent higher estrogen, but it won’t deal with any gyno if you get some. It’s also difficult to dose and know what you need without bloodwork.

I’d suggest having nolvadex on hand before starting any cycle if you don’t know how you’re going to react as far as gyno.

Personally I have letro as well if I need to completely nuke it.

 

[DiaDuit]

You should be able to start a private chat here. If you allow it on your settings.

Man i cant find it, everything is enabled in settings. If you could send me a PM that'd be great

 

[OmL]

 

[Leg_locker]

I think new members don't have the ability to use the PM function at first like commenting in the underground section and it gets unlocked eventually? @Millard

 

[OmL]

I also recall something like a post is required in the new members section to unlock more features.

 

[Millard]

It's eventually unlocked... for members who show a genuine desire to learn from, contribute to, and help the community.

There have been too many new members who sign up to immediately do one or more of the following behaviors as their first action on the forum:

(1) post praise and recommendations for a particular source and/or defend that particular source;
(2) send a private message to a particular source;
(3) send a private message to another member(s) asking to be given the name of a trusted source;
(4) post message asking someone to contact them with a trusted source

In the first example, such actions look suspiciously like that of a shill.

In the latter 3 examples, the behaviors could put new members at risk of being scammed. The vulnerability of being scammed is increased when it is done in private outside any public accountability.

Consequently, I think these behaviors should be discouraged to further the integrity and safety of the forum for all participants.

Restricting forum privileges encourages new members to participate in the forum, learn how to navigate the forum, and understand the risks associated with interactions with sources.

It also discourages sources/shills from attempting to deceptively manipulate the forum with questionable reviews and shills.

 

[Resurgence]

It's eventually unlocked... for members who show a genuine desire to learn from, contribute to, and help the community.

There have been too many new members who sign up to immediately do one or more of the following behaviors as their first action on the forum:

(1) post praise and recommendations for a particular source and/or defend that particular source;
(2) send a private message to a particular source;
(3) send a private message to another member(s) asking to be given the name of a trusted source;
(4) post message asking someone to contact them with a trusted source

In the first example, such actions look suspiciously like that of a shill.

In the latter 3 examples, the behaviors could put new members at risk of being scammed. The vulnerability of being scammed is increased when it is done in private outside any public accountability.

Consequently, I think these behaviors should be discouraged to further the integrity and safety of the forum for all participants.

Restricting forum privileges encourages new members to participate in the forum, learn how to navigate the forum, and understand the risks associated with interactions with sources.

It also discourages sources/shills from attempting to deceptively manipulate the forum with questionable reviews and shills.

I was wondering why I couldn't message anyone but it makes sense good rules to get that unlocked honestly.

 

[Cuuldinulva]

Thanks man. I’m on the fence on taking my second shot on Tuesday. Especially after reading your guys’ comments. Just want to really unlock my full potential and hopefully compete/powerlift eventually.

I just skimmed the second page so apologies if someone already mentioned this.

Your brain is also still developing until you're roughly 25. Flooding your body with exogenous hormones like this will invariably permanently impact your health and brain development and is why I agree emphatically with what @OmL said

 

[Crobgreen]

Sorry guys been super busy.. I’m probably around 16%. I took my first 250mg (1cc) shot on Friday. When do you start noticing a difference? I went to the gym Saturday and realized I was sweating like a whore in church LOL.. might’ve been cause it was warmer here in Oklahoma.

#1 GET BLOOD WORK . Also on my first cycle, 400mg a week, test c. Currently on week 3, you’ll notice libido in week one if you have low T like I did, if not you’ll probably feel fairly normal. From what I’ve read enhanced moods around week 3-6, and from about week 4-5 you’ll notice the strength (different for each person again depending on T levels previous to cycle) . From then on I believe you start to see more of the body changes etc . You won’t feel anything right away it’s not like euphoria lol. I’m no expert just giving my input .

 

[DiaDuit]

#1 GET BLOOD WORK . Also on my first cycle, 400mg a week, test c. Currently on week 3, you’ll notice libido in week one if you have low T like I did, if not you’ll probably feel fairly normal. From what I’ve read enhanced moods around week 3-6, and from about week 4-5 you’ll notice the strength (different for each person again depending on T levels previous to cycle) . From then on I believe you start to see more of the body changes etc . You won’t feel anything right away it’s not like euphoria lol. I’m no expert just giving my input .

Solid answer. I’ve already noticed that im way hungrier, but nothing drastic. Im going to run anavar around halfway in after I get my blood results.

 

[musclesiege]

Solid answer. I’ve already noticed that im way hungrier, but nothing drastic. Im going to run anavar around halfway in after I get my blood results.

IMO I would honestly recommend you take some time and think about all the great feedback you received here. Within this thread you are even thinking out loud going back and forth. Being that young and not having your bloodwork before you start while planning to run a cycle that long (cycle and cruise) could negatively impact your hormones for a long time means you need a better game plan. At your age and physique you have to have a solid natural test production and most people here have to take trt, trt+, etc to even get to your levels. Even if you decide to move forward take the time first to understand what you want to get out of this journey, goals for first cycle, long term goal, and what you’re willing to sacrifice. I spent months on here reading and reading trying to learn from so many people here who share their experiences and knowledge combined with my own research and first hand trials before starting my first cycle.

 

[Resurgence]

Solid answer. I’ve already noticed that im way hungrier, but nothing drastic. Im going to run anavar around halfway in after I get my blood results.

Well if you've made your decision to run the cycle, I "personally" don't see a problem with it. There's ways to properly come off so you're not screwed forever. Honestly you're better off doing this than OTC "prohormones". At least these compounds have been studied, and are prescribed.

Around week 6, get a CBC/CBM, test total, test free, FSH/LH, Estradiol, etc. You can order your own labs without going to a doctor. (If you need help say so and I can tell you). You should time your blood test for roughly 48 hours after an injection.

HCG will be essential in coming off and having an easy post cycle. I'm hoping you sourced some, PCT247 and BG sell pharm quality. Using that properly is 2x a week, 3x a week is better. 250-500iu at a time. As I'd mentioned before, use it 2 weeks past your last test injection higher dosing as mentioned before.

Taking anastrazole (arimidex) 0.5mg 2x a week will keep your estrogen in check but also could be too low as Adex is a suicide inhibitor. So some would suggest not using it until you need to. It's the primary prescription during TRT also for keeping estrogenic side effects ironed out. You could cut it down to 0.25mg 2x a week (quarter tab with pill cutter)

Start a Usual PCT protocol 1-2 weeks after last test shot. Same time as stopping HCG. You could run HCG out a tad longer if you wish at 250iu 3x a week (same as during cycle) to help keep FSH/LH elevated and taper out.

 

[Resurgence]

I just skimmed the second page so apologies if someone already mentioned this.

Your brain is also still developing until you're roughly 25. Flooding your body with exogenous hormones like this will invariably permanently impact your health and brain development and is why I agree emphatically with what @OmL said

Can you cite your sources for permanently impacting brain development? Because I've never seen any.

Also I'd believe if that were factually true, doctors wouldn't/couldn't prescribe testosterone to adolescents undergoing sexual reassignment at the risk of brain development/maturity. It's odd how people will be so harsh judging males for using exogenous testosterone but this goes really untouched. Males in adolescence and early 20s can still have hypergonadism and need treatment. But whatever method that may be, would be based on a per patient basis.

The truth is, nobody has done long term studies enough to prove exogenous testosterone supplementation is the cause or can cause any health risks you already aren't at risk of. Saying otherwise is a very old method of thinking from back when the US made steroids a controlled substance. Unsubstantiated claims of death, disease, etc, an the "people" who came forth claiming their ailments on steroids left out all their immense recreational drug usage, pre-existing conditions, etc. Had to have good reason to ban it. Just like 2006, find some scape goats. The legality of restricting those studies from happening now though, with it being relatively easy to find long term patients on TRT, will hopefully change.

Mind you (anyone) I said exogenous testosterone. I did not say, tren, bold, deca, etc. Just plain old test. Granted most steroids were developed for their respective medical purposes, muscle wasting, yadda yadda. Tren/EQ and some others were not designed for humans.

By no means am I saying this is a route for everyone, not saying they're harmless and okay, you have to weigh the pros and cons.

Not trying to argue, simply a fruitful discussion.

Regards.

 

[Stretch4747]

Well if you've made your decision to run the cycle, I "personally" don't see a problem with it. There's ways to properly come off so you're not screwed forever. Honestly you're better off doing this than OTC "prohormones". At least these compounds have been studied, and are prescribed.

Around week 6, get a CBC/CBM, test total, test free, FSH/LH, Estradiol, etc. You can order your own labs without going to a doctor. (If you need help say so and I can tell you). You should time your blood test for roughly 48 hours after an injection.

HCG will be essential in coming off and having an easy post cycle. I'm hoping you sourced some, PCT247 and BG sell pharm quality. Using that properly is 2x a week, 3x a week is better. 250-500iu at a time. As I'd mentioned before, use it 2 weeks past your last test injection higher dosing as mentioned before.

Taking anastrazole (arimidex) 0.5mg 2x a week will keep your estrogen in check but also could be too low as Adex is a suicide inhibitor. So some would suggest not using it until you need to. It's the primary prescription during TRT also for keeping estrogenic side effects ironed out. You could cut it down to 0.25mg 2x a week (quarter tab with pill cutter)

Start a Usual PCT protocol 1-2 weeks after last test shot. Same time as stopping HCG. You could run HCG out a tad longer if you wish at 250iu 3x a week (same as during cycle) to help keep FSH/LH elevated and taper out.

I don't think Arimidex is a suicide inhibitor, aromasin is though. I agree with everything you said, though 3x a week for hcg is much better as stated and 2x a week for Arimidex isn't going to give you very stable levels. 3x a week minimum for Arimidex, preferably eod

 

[DiaDuit]

Well if you've made your decision to run the cycle, I "personally" don't see a problem with it. There's ways to properly come off so you're not screwed forever. Honestly you're better off doing this than OTC "prohormones". At least these compounds have been studied, and are prescribed.

Around week 6, get a CBC/CBM, test total, test free, FSH/LH, Estradiol, etc. You can order your own labs without going to a doctor. (If you need help say so and I can tell you). You should time your blood test for roughly 48 hours after an injection.

HCG will be essential in coming off and having an easy post cycle. I'm hoping you sourced some, PCT247 and BG sell pharm quality. Using that properly is 2x a week, 3x a week is better. 250-500iu at a time. As I'd mentioned before, use it 2 weeks past your last test injection higher dosing as mentioned before.

Taking anastrazole (arimidex) 0.5mg 2x a week will keep your estrogen in check but also could be too low as Adex is a suicide inhibitor. So some would suggest not using it until you need to. It's the primary prescription during TRT also for keeping estrogenic side effects ironed out. You could cut it down to 0.25mg 2x a week (quarter tab with pill cutter)

Start a Usual PCT protocol 1-2 weeks after last test shot. Same time as stopping HCG. You could run HCG out a tad longer if you wish at 250iu 3x a week (same as during cycle) to help keep FSH/LH elevated and taper o

I’m taking 50mg zinc to very slightly moderate my estrogen, and it seems to be working well. But I ordered aromasin just incase. I ordered plenty of HCG and nolvadex too. Thanks for that info on the blood work (I was just gonna go to my doctor lol) but will do that now instead. After my blood test I plan on throwing in some var so I’m pretty pumped for that.