Planning summer cycle for bulking and recently ended a Deca test cycle short as I got shitty sides from the Deca. Raised E2 and prolactin floppy knob and mental things was not great. Looking for an alternative for decent mass gains and was thinking NPP. Faster Esther so any issues I can stop right away but wondered if anyone has issues with Deca that the do not get with NPP? What’s people’s experiences between the two. Whilst I appreciate nandrolone is nandrolone it does seem people have different sides on these. Anyway was thinking test 300 NPP 250 Mast 300 for 12 weeks.
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I alway ran test 2x higher than deca or Ed could be a problem. Npp is no different than deca.
Deskoze38192
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I do fine with 500 test/350 nandrolone ratio
Like Big Paul said 2x is a good rule of thumb also. I would bet you get the same affects with your 300/250 ratio
I run nandrolone all the time at some dose blast or cruise. Have run both Deca and NPP many times. Now I run both. I keep 105 Deca for my cruise and add NPP for my blasts (usually 250)and combine the total for 355. That way I can drop the NPP at the end of the blast and I don’t have to worry about the long ester Deca in my cruise, other than the 105 Deca I always run.
Some people claim less sides with NPP, I haven’t noticed this at all. It’s both Nandrolone just different esters. A lot of people say less water weight with NPP, maybe that’s the case but imo it’s negligible. I think the sides just hit different when they last for weeks instead of a couple days lol and that’s why people say less sides with NPP
As far as your sides go if you had a problem with Deca you’re going to have the same problems with NPP until you get your Test/Nandrolone ratio correct for you. NPP will clear much faster if you get it wrong again.
Add 200mg P5P for the prolactin control
100mg in the morning 100mg at night
Controlling your E2 will also help
Like Big Paul said 2x is a good rule of thumb also. I would bet you get the same affects with your 300/250 ratio
I run nandrolone all the time at some dose blast or cruise. Have run both Deca and NPP many times. Now I run both. I keep 105 Deca for my cruise and add NPP for my blasts (usually 250)and combine the total for 355. That way I can drop the NPP at the end of the blast and I don’t have to worry about the long ester Deca in my cruise, other than the 105 Deca I always run.
Some people claim less sides with NPP, I haven’t noticed this at all. It’s both Nandrolone just different esters. A lot of people say less water weight with NPP, maybe that’s the case but imo it’s negligible. I think the sides just hit different when they last for weeks instead of a couple days lol and that’s why people say less sides with NPP
As far as your sides go if you had a problem with Deca you’re going to have the same problems with NPP until you get your Test/Nandrolone ratio correct for you. NPP will clear much faster if you get it wrong again.
Add 200mg P5P for the prolactin control
100mg in the morning 100mg at night
Controlling your E2 will also help
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Jabbathehutt
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To me they feel the same. Both are good.
When I blast with nandrolone I do it differently. I keep test at TRT ratio and stack nandrolone on top. It works great for me. Less estrogen related sides.
I also cruise most of the time on deca. But always cut it 1.5 months for TRT blood work.
When I blast with nandrolone I do it differently. I keep test at TRT ratio and stack nandrolone on top. It works great for me. Less estrogen related sides.
I also cruise most of the time on deca. But always cut it 1.5 months for TRT blood work.
When you say you bet I get the same results with my suggested doses do you mean same issues I had with last time? As in problems.
I’ve heard this so much with Deca run higher than test. I do aromatise easily so running test low would be good but running Deca just worried me due to the whole Deca dick. I hit this last run but my e2 was off the charts and prolactin.
What doses to you blast at out of interest? How’s your labido on it higher than test
Deskoze38192
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Yes the sides you mentioned that you got from your previous dose
Having the ratio right and controlling your E2 and prolactin is how you manage those sides
P5P works great for prolactin control like I mentioned and keeping E2 in range
Just switching to NPP isn’t going to change anything (you’ll still get Deca dick) until you get those things right is what I was saying
Ridethelightningbarefoot
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The estrogen sides stay the same amount of time with npp as with deca. It usually takes at least 1-2 months before my e2 levels stabilize. I mpmd had went over a study where is talked about the metabolite of nandrolone is actually present in fatty tissue amongst others and acts as a catalyst for aromatization. Dihyrdonandrolone i believe
Out of interest what direction would you go for ratios then? Knowing I aromatise a fair amount? Maybe 1-1 with test at say 300 and a decent AI protocol rather than higher test?
Deskoze38192
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Yeah good AI protocol
And P5P for prolactin also
That’s probably what contributed to your sides most on your first run
Your ratio wasn’t bad actually imho
Jabbathehutt
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I aromatize heavily as well. From my experience with E2 under control it's easier to control prolactin. That's why I like this protocol. Never even needed caber, p5p control it just fine. I've done nandrolone at 500mg with test at 120.
Do u get any issues with labido or getting it up running test lower? Was thinking running it 1-1 to start as I can manage say 250 test pretty simply.
Jabbathehutt
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No never.
effswithtren
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Everyone says they’re the same just different esters, and yeah of course, but in terms of both sides and results…dunno man. All I can do is give my experiences.
NPP gives me a shit ton less bloat, but my muscle is just as full. I can even run more mg NPP than deca yet have a shit ton less bloat. I don’t get dick or mental issues from either, so I can’t speak to those. Some do, I don’t.
I will say that while NPP is more desirable in terms of look, when I’m done I feel like I made a lot more gains with deca. Whenever I use NPP I look great during but when I’m off I look about the same as when I started. Whenever I run deca I look noticeably bigger after. There’s obviously a lot of other factors that could be at play, but it’s definitely a correlation I’ve noticed.
NPP gives me a shit ton less bloat, but my muscle is just as full. I can even run more mg NPP than deca yet have a shit ton less bloat. I don’t get dick or mental issues from either, so I can’t speak to those. Some do, I don’t.
I will say that while NPP is more desirable in terms of look, when I’m done I feel like I made a lot more gains with deca. Whenever I use NPP I look great during but when I’m off I look about the same as when I started. Whenever I run deca I look noticeably bigger after. There’s obviously a lot of other factors that could be at play, but it’s definitely a correlation I’ve noticed.
BaldZues
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I’m running npp at 500 and test at 750 and recently within a month ago added 40 mg of var a day till blast ends. no bad sides. Im always craving sex. Acne was bad when cycle first started but calmed down. Everyone will have different sides.
TRT@40
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I am interested in your experience of deca cruising.
What are you using it for? Just joint pain and general gain management?
How long have you been cruising with 105mg of deca and any sides?
I am thinking about adding about 75-100mg deca to my trt dose of test for cruising.
I have brewed 150mg testcyp with 100mg NPP per ml that I am blasting with now.
For my next cruising, I will probably brew 200mg testcyp with 75-100mg deca per ml.
It’s fluid retention dude. Deca stays in your system for longer so your muscles stay full of water for longer after you stop
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