Who makes actual pharma grade gear?

[Lumberjack]

Hi there, not looking for a source necessarily, and I've tried using the search function to answer this question, but not getting a clear answer. I am leary of ugl's from a safety standpoint. I would prefer to get something made by an actual pharmaceutical manufacturer, not some place making in God knows what conditions. Or some place that manufactures fentanyl at night using same equipment. What pharmacy do you recommend?

I can see where I can buy looking at existing threads, but not sure what brands specifically. My wife does figure competition's and I don't want to buy her something that could hurt her, even if its only orals. For myself, I will be injecting and don't want to be an amputee who can't provide for his family. Thanks for your help!

 

[shartking]

I'll bet, if you keep reading, that you will figure out who's who, who has quality ugl, who resells Indian pharma, etc.

 

[Liska]

Start by looking up the compounds your wife is interested in, which pharmaceutical companies produce them currently (for all of this, a quick google search should suffice) and use that information to research sources for them here on Meso.

 

[bornSkinny]

Kinda depends on what your standards are. “Pharma” is going to vary depending on country of origin, as far as what that actually means to you.
Not sure I’ve heard a lot of people losing limbs from gear so I don’t think that’s not really a thing guy. However females getting precise gear is a real concern. There’s multiple vendors here that can definitely help you. Check out some lists, you’ll find what you are looking for.

 

[RaddishPork]

As someone who worked in compounding pharmacy for years, I'll just do you a favor and give some advice.

Drop this idea of "pharma grade" from your head. Drugs are drugs. There is no such thing as "pharma grade" , all that means is it went through extra regulation processes because it was by a "real" government agency. There are recalls every week and many drugs on the market are responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. Batches of "Pharma grade" drugs get fucked up all the time.

Something being made by Bayer doesn't mean it's more potent, or more clean, that just means they passed their bi-annual inspections and it came from a legal company who pays taxes.

As long as your steroid dealer cares about their job, they will have almost identical equipment and processes as a pharmaceutical company would.

I was 20 years old mixing up drugs and pressing them into pills for a pharmacy. Their "pharma grade" drugs were made my a stoned ass college student.

 

[Lumberjack]

Kinda depends on what your standards are. “Pharma” is going to vary depending on country of origin, as far as what that actually means to you.
Not sure I’ve heard a lot of people losing limbs from gear so I don’t think that’s not really a thing guy. However females getting precise gear is a real concern. There’s multiple vendors here that can definitely help you. Check out some lists, you’ll find what you are looking for.

Yeah, I've looked at the testing threads and I haven't seen any that were not oxandrolone, but I have seen some that were overdosed by 20%. So a 10mg that tested at 12mg. Her coach recommended anavar, winstrol, clen, and t3 to be used at different stages of prep. Just trying to be as safe as possible.

 

[Lumberjack]

Start by looking up the compounds your wife is interested in, which pharmaceutical companies produce them currently (for all of this, a quick google search should suffice) and use that information to research sources for them here on Meso.

Thanks, I'll try that route.

 

[bornSkinny]

Yeah, I've looked at the testing threads and I haven't seen any that were not oxandrolone, but I have seen some that were overdosed by 20%. So a 10mg that tested at 12mg. Her coach recommended anavar, winstrol, clen, and t3 to be used at different stages of prep. Just trying to be as safe as possible.

Not exactly what I meant.
There are vendors here.
On Meso.
That have the “pharma” products that that you are looking for, since that’s what you want. Look at their lists and you should find what you’re after. Good luck.

 

[Lumberjack]

I'll bet, if you keep reading, that you will figure out who's who, who has quality ugl, who resells Indian pharma, etc.

I've been reading on here for a bit. Almost made it a full time job lately lol! Most of the "sponsors" I see here seem to have sketchy pasts, never followed the protocols that members supposedly require, and never post pictures of labs, etc. Yet members here still seem to buy from them. Maybe I need to throw caution to the wind or there is a secret section of the forum I haven't found yet. Not trying to be a dick, but for what is supposed to be a harm prevention forum, most members don't seem to be worried about rolling the dice.

 

[Liska]

Yeah, I've looked at the testing threads and I haven't seen any that were not oxandrolone, but I have seen some that were overdosed by 20%. So a 10mg that tested at 12mg. Her coach recommended anavar, winstrol, clen, and t3 to be used at different stages of prep. Just trying to be as safe as possible.

The first two I'm not sure you'll find by pharmaceutical companies still, though Empower has them at a variety of dosages if that's accessible to you:

https://www.empowerpharmacy.com/drugs/oxandrolone-tablets

https://www.empowerpharmacy.com/drugs/stanozolol-capsules

Pharmaceutical Clenbuterol and T3 at affordable prices are getting scarce and ideally you'd want even those labtested as they can be hit or miss. @SkankHunt will know better what's available to US residents currently.

 

[Lumberjack]

The first two I'm not sure you'll find by pharmaceutical companies still, though Empower has them at a variety of dosages if that's accessible to you:

https://www.empowerpharmacy.com/drugs/oxandrolone-tablets

https://www.empowerpharmacy.com/drugs/stanozolol-capsules

Pharmaceutical Clenbuterol and T3 at affordable prices are getting scarce and ideally you'd want even those labtested as they can be hit or miss. @SkankHunt will know better what's available to US residents currently.

Thanks, I get my trt prescription through a company that uses Empower, but I've gathered that they may be tightening things up with the potential rules change for telemedicine clinics. The have both oxandrolone (anavar generic) and stanozolol (winstrol generic) listed on the portal.

 

[Liska]

Most of the "sponsors" I see here seem to have sketchy pasts, never followed the protocols that members supposedly require, and never post pictures of labs, etc.

Those blue or bronze banners aren't endorsements or qualifiers of any kind, those are given out for donating to ("sponsoring") Meso, or Anaboliclabs in the past. Ad banners to the right are similarly unrelated.

 

[Lumberjack]

Those blue or bronze banners aren't endorsements or qualifiers of any kind, those are given out for donating to ("sponsoring") Meso, or Anaboliclabs in the past. Ad banners to the right are similarly unrelated.

That makes sense. I was assuming it was an earned title.

 

[mass gain]

That makes sense. I was assuming it was an earned title.

Some of them are gtg. Just research all banner or not.
FYI - The protocols that 'members' require, I hope you mean the current members who do not have an agenda.

Some past members actually did have an agenda and hounded sources. Believe it or not, they pushed/push another source (not here) and don't expect that source to live up to any of their 'protocols' meaning when that source fucks up they sweep it under the rug, something I never would have imagined from a particular group.

The current members here though that promote testing with each batch etc. I absolutely agree with them.

Any source is only as good as their last batch. Research, research research and if going ugl ask for current batch testing.

 

[Exhortae]

Buy a kit from the same batch, send some for testing

Only way i would do it for my wife

 

[mass gain]

Buy a kit from the same batch, send some for testing

Only way i would do it for my wife

Good protocol but if source changes batches often that can get pricey.
It is the only way to be certain tho. So if you really want peace of mind, this is the route to go.

 

[Rido]

I've been reading on here for a bit. Almost made it a full time job lately lol! Most of the "sponsors" I see here seem to have sketchy pasts, never followed the protocols that members supposedly require, and never post pictures of labs, etc. Yet members here still seem to buy from them. Maybe I need to throw caution to the wind or there is a secret section of the forum I haven't found yet. Not trying to be a dick, but for what is supposed to be a harm prevention forum, most members don't seem to be worried about rolling the dice.

Unsure of what the point of this was tbh. Idk what you mean by sponsors. While some are new/sketchy some of them have an excellent history.

I am not sure what you mean by most are "rolling the dice". Someone has to give it a try and send it in for testing, trying etc.

You coming in here to purchase is essentially rolling the dice.


There is no pharmagrade gear unless you buy from Europe typically.


Those pharmacies like empower get their raws from China most likely. The same shit that we do. So difference is they have a compounding license.

 

[Lumberjack]

Unsure of what the point of this was tbh. Idk what you mean by sponsors. While some are new/sketchy some of them have an excellent history.

I am not sure what you mean by most are "rolling the dice". Someone has to give it a try and send it in for testing, trying etc.

You coming in here to purchase is essentially rolling the dice.


There is no pharmagrade gear unless you buy from Europe typically.


Those pharmacies like empower get their raws from China most likely. The same shit that we do. So difference is they have a compounding license.

I suppose that i was assuming an actual pharmaceutical manufacturer would have at least a minimum standard of quality that couldn't be guaranteed with a ugl. Based on the responses I may be wrong in my assumption.

 

[Lumberjack]

Some of them are gtg. Just research all banner or not.
FYI - The protocols that 'members' require, I hope you mean the current members who do not have an agenda.

Some past members actually did have an agenda and hounded sources. Believe it or not, they pushed/push another source (not here) and don't expect that source to live up to any of their 'protocols' meaning when that source fucks up they sweep it under the rug, something I never would have imagined from a particular group.

The current members here though that promote testing with each batch etc. I absolutely agree with them.

Any source is only as good as their last batch. Research, research research and if going ugl ask for current batch testing.

That might explain then being banned. I didn't realize that.

 

[freedom69]

Like mentioned above "pharma" grade essentially means they passed an annual or Bi-annual inspection regulated by the government to tax whatever they are producing. Look through the threads. I'd be willing to bet some of the more quality sources here have better standards, and practices batch for batch than any huge "pharma grade" lab...including tighter dose tolerance when brewing.