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First cycle

I'd recommend you get a good fish oil supplement like this:
Sports Research Triple Strength Omega 3 Fish Oil - Burpless Fish Oil Supplement w/EPA & DHA Fatty Acids from Wild Alaskan Pollock - Heart, Brain & Immune Support for Men & Women - 1250 mg, 240 ct

Will help with cholesterol and triglycerides. Also get some DIM:
DIM Supplement 200mg | Advanced Diindolylmethane | 200 Veggie Capsules | Vegetarian, Non-GMO, Gluten Free | by Horbaach

Will help modulate your estradiol in a natural way.

If your hematocrit (52+) and hemoglobin (18+) get too far out of range you'll want to consider a blood donation. Good things to keep an eye on because that means your blood is getting too thick.
 
Ordered that’s with me taking .5mg anastozole post shot twice a week (1mg a week) would you recommend I take more? Or stick to that and throw In that supplement that you recommended? Really wish they’d give my testosterone results.
 
DiaDuit said:
Ordered that’s with me taking .5mg anastozole post shot twice a week (1mg a week) would you recommend I take more? Or stick to that and throw In that supplement that you recommended? Really wish they’d give my testosterone results.
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You don't need to take anastrozole constantly unless you start to experience some sides (like sensitivity). DIM will help regulate it without the side effects. Your estradiol looks good from my opinion. So I would drop the anastrazole unless you need it, and just rely on the DIM. But that's entirely up to you on what you want to do.
 
kosp said:
500mg of test and 50mg Anavar is not sufficient for a first cycle? how did you figure that out? it is a perfectly sufficient first cycle. 500mg of test for a newbie will give dramatic results in about 6 - 8 weeks.

Be careful with high bodyfat % and aromatization from test, gyno comes in an instant and once it´s there, you can only shrink it, but it won´t go away unless you undergo surgery.
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kosp said:
500mg of test and 50mg Anavar is not sufficient for a first cycle? how did you figure that out? it is a perfectly sufficient first cycle. 500mg of test for a newbie will give dramatic results in about 6 - 8 weeks.

Be careful with high bodyfat % and aromatization from test, gyno comes in an instant and once it´s there, you can only shrink it, but it won´t go away unless you undergo surgery.
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Mate gyno does not come on in a instant there would be signs like itchy or sensitive nipples and the likes first, you make it sound like one morning you could just wake up and boom you have gyno and a pair of tits not the case there will be signs weeks before that happens. Your right about it not going away and can only be shrunk though. Also 500mg is certainly a sufficient cycle totally agree but for you too say it would give dramatic results in 6-8 weeks cmon man it's just kicking in about then around 6 week mark it's from around week 6 to however long you run it i.e 12 weeks 16 weeks who knows but you will start to notice gains from.around week 6.
 
Don’t bother with the anavar, the test alone will do the job…you will have great gains all on its own…
funny how many guys do anavar thou on there first few cycles, I did - and found it very mild and too expensive to run it at a worthwhile dose….
Real talk - if your just a regular gym rat give the anavar to some chick or trade it for some dbol to use down the road, dollar for dollar and mg for mg anavar just don’t make sense for your average male meat head..
 
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Mate gyno does not come on in a instant there would be signs like itchy or sensitive nipples and the likes first, you make it sound like one morning you could just wake up and boom you have gyno and a pair of tits not the case there will be signs weeks before that happens. Your right about it not going away and can only be shrunk though. Also 500mg is certainly a sufficient cycle totally agree but for you too say it would give dramatic results in 6-8 weeks cmon man it's just kicking in about then around 6 week mark it's from around week 6 to however long you run it i.e 12 weeks 16 weeks who knows but you will start to notice gains from.around week 6.
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I completely agree with all this.
 
Hey guys! Just reading the thread and I was wondering about the comments on gyno. From the information provided on test via the the steroid’s profile (as well as many other sources), it seems like running 500mg of test a week for 12 weeks with 2-4 weeks of PCT has a low chance of gyno for your first cycle? Is this true? I’m just trying to get all my foundational knowledge in check before pulling the trigger on my first cycle.
 
hopefullyanonomyous said:
Hey guys! Just reading the thread and I was wondering about the comments on gyno. From the information provided on test via the the steroid’s profile (as well as many other sources), it seems like running 500mg of test a week for 12 weeks with 2-4 weeks of PCT has a low chance of gyno for your first cycle? Is this true? I’m just trying to get all my foundational knowledge in check before pulling the trigger on my first cycle.
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As long as you have AI and nolva on hand, you can control it from ever being a problem. If gyno even starts up on cycle.
 
hopefullyanonomyous said:
Hey guys! Just reading the thread and I was wondering about the comments on gyno. From the information provided on test via the the steroid’s profile (as well as many other sources), it seems like running 500mg of test a week for 12 weeks with 2-4 weeks of PCT has a low chance of gyno for your first cycle? Is this true? I’m just trying to get all my foundational knowledge in check before pulling the trigger on my first cycle.
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This is true , estrogen isn’t to be feared and gyno is not hiding under every rock and around every corner - I carry a lot more fat then most (I lift for strength, not a bodybuilder ) they say that for my body type that I should aromatize way more but I’ve never had issues….that’s MY experience thou , there are guys who are lean as fuck and get gyno from TRT doses and need to run AI , for me personally I can run 750 mg test c a week with 60mg dbol and need .25mg adex three times a week ….

Everyone is differant , make SURE you have an AI and a serm on hand , don’t cheap out - you prob won’t need it but you will be glad you have it if problems arise - don’t cheap out either , get the AI and serm pharma grade or top shelf ugl lab (I’m convinced a lot of guys who get gyno are cheaping out and getting there AI from shitty cheap ass bargain basement labs who are under dosing do your research and buy from the best) …..I never had to dip into my nolvadex, never had an issue , but you can be damn sure I keep it around , and if I lost it or something- I’d replace right away.
 
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hopefullyanonomyous said:
Hey guys! Just reading the thread and I was wondering about the comments on gyno. From the information provided on test via the the steroid’s profile (as well as many other sources), it seems like running 500mg of test a week for 12 weeks with 2-4 weeks of PCT has a low chance of gyno for your first cycle? Is this true? I’m just trying to get all my foundational knowledge in check before pulling the trigger on my first cycle.
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Just had another prob more safe bet for you…
This will make for a longer cycle but from a gyno point of view prob your safer bet - you weigh the pros and cons

Start your cycle at 250mg a week for say 3 weeks then increase 100-150mg every 2 weeks or so untill you are at your desired dosage , when you get to desired dose run bloodwork…

Most guys would need at least micro dose of AI at 500mg (I use adex so dosage will be as thou I’m using Arimidex)

Around 350mg a week start micro dosing , say .25mg the day after injection - do 2 injections a week to split up dose


(if itchy nips , start immediately, don’t trip out on placebo newbie nips , hold off till your sure ….again hard for the newb)

This might add 5 weeks to your cycle but it will be easier on your system …a lot of times guys start off at 500mg - and most will tolerate this fine - but for those who don’t the issues typically start 2-3 weeks after the cycle starts, doing it this way will acclimated your system more gradually and I did this myself the first time (mind you I was already on TRT so I knew I’d never be off so cycle length didn’t sweat me)

Remember your want at least an AI and a SERM , I have Arimidex, nolvadex and Letrozole and caber in my arsenal , I’ve never needed the last 3 (took micro doses of caber before but dropped it for vit b6/p5p) but I as long as I’m blasting you can be damn sure there in my toolkit - don’t fuck with this shit unless your willing to spend money on prevention …don’t cheap out , PHARMA grade ancillaries or the best of the best UGL with solid reputations…
 
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pornlando said:
Just had another prob more safe bet for you…
This will make for a longer cycle but from a gyno point of view prob your safer bet - you weigh the pros and cons

Start your cycle at 250mg a week for say 3 weeks then increase 100-150mg every 2 weeks or so untill you are at your desired dosage , when you get to desired dose run bloodwork…

Most guys would need at least micro dose of AI at 500mg (I use adex so dosage will be as thou I’m using Arimidex)

Around 350mg a week start micro dosing , say .25mg the day after injection - do 2 injections a week to split up dose


(if itchy nips , start immediately, don’t trip out on placebo newbie nips , hold off till your sure ….again hard for the newb)

This might add 5 weeks to your cycle but it will be easier on your system …a lot of times guys start off at 500mg - and most will tolerate this fine - but for those who don’t the issues typically start 2-3 weeks after the cycle starts, doing it this way will acclimated your system more gradually and I did this myself the first time (mind you I was already on TRT so I knew I’d never be off so cycle length didn’t sweat me)

Remember your want at least an AI and a SERM , I have Arimidex, nolvadex and Letrozole and caber in my arsenal , I’ve never needed the last 3 (took micro doses of caber before but dropped it for vit b6/p5p) but I as long as I’m blasting you can be damn sure there in my toolkit - don’t fuck with this shit unless your willing to spend money on prevention …don’t cheap out , PHARMA grade ancillaries or the best of the best UGL with solid reputations…
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For pharma grade what would you recommend? I get my stuff from gorilla king now but little skeptical on the legit ness of it.
 
DiaDuit said:
For pharma grade what would you recommend? I get my stuff from gorilla king now but little skeptical on the legit ness of it.
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Did you not order the pharma from gorilla? I thought he offered pharma AI in addition to his ugl version.
 
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