Test only vs Test/EQ

[Fattyone]

When I do TRT I’d be looking at the least effective dose. You could half that dose and feel fine I bet.

Thank you doctor. Strangely enough when I went on TRT after being medically diagnosed as needing it and suffering from low t (before ever even entering a gym) it never occurred to me to get to a healthy level as well as find symptom resolution.
I would just take random amounts of test for a few months and then go get labs drawn for fun.
Good times.

Lucky for you we know that once you start TRT with 90mg/wk you will feel amazing and never need to make any changes or get labs drawn. Must be nice.

 

[Doubleomexican]

I do 250mg a week for trt now, going into it you expect wayy more with less, (1700ng) (make sure to do what your gut tells you to do in the end) stick to learning what each compound can do for you. I will say 525mg, 75mg daily was really fun. No Ai needed, And plan on going with 600 next blast? with 250-300npp weekly what would yall recommend for an Ai dosage?

 

[Vanargandar]

Is EQ super bad for you?

That's a broad question, since there's really no such thing as a "safe" anabolic, generally speaking. That being said, I see no reason to use EQ over other trite and true AAS like Primo/Mast that will give a similar E2 lowering effect, dryness, etc, without the worry of all the health complications that come along with using Equipoise.

If health is your goal you're much better off with using, say, 600 Testosterone/300 Primobolan (some prefer Masteron due to cost and/or "feels") -- that's if you have a predisposition to having high estrogen symptoms on Test alone and wish to not use an AI. If that isn't the case, there's no reason to not utilize a higher Test dosage alone instead of stacking different compounds together, unless you're willing to forego the "health" aspect for aesthetic concerns.

This is just my opinion though, which are like assholes...yada yada yada.

 

[lundgren]

This is 320mg a week split into two weekly injections. Test cyp from a USA pharmacy. 200mg a week split into 2 injections a week has me around ~500.

Not everybody turns into Superman at 201mg a week.

So you have from script and from HG test C if i understand well ?
Generally the dose are variable depend the user some people need 100, another 125, 150, 175 etc ...

But more than 200mg / week it's not called TRT (in generally) and like i said depend your blood level yes it's "therapy" dose, if it's very elevated it's called "doping" dose.

You know TRT are a long process, you need some time, here it's around 3 to 6 months (with Test Enanthate).

Some things are important when we take a TRT particularly the diet, it's strange but i feel the difference when i have a proper diet at the same dose.

About blood work you need to specify how long you took it and when was the blood test taken?

Lot people focus on the level, but the most important are to feel great and have no symptoms from hypogonadism.

PS: i realized your blood work indicated 1256ng so it's not TRT the max are 916 so you have doping level and not therapy ;-)

 

[lundgren]

That’s unhealthy levels though. Most guys produce half that natty. When I do TRT I’d be looking at the least effective dose. You could half that dose and feel fine I bet.

The production of a heathly man are estimated at 80 to 100mg of test e weekly
Your right.

 

[Vanargandar]

But more than 200mg / week it's not called TRT (in generally) and like i said depend your blood level yes it's "therapy" dose, if it's very elevated it's called "doping" dose.

This is not entirely correct. I'm not sure where the idea that anything above 200mg per week is not considered TRT, as I have yet to find any medical literature to support a one size fits all dosage on an individual basis. Most people are here are utilizing AAS for recreational, professional, or other purposes and very few are actually buying UGL for TRT for life. Obviously someone using 750mg, 800mg, or even a gram of Testosterone is most likely not on TRT (if there is research to show this exists, even anecdotal with consistent bloodwork, I will retract my statement -- even then I'd assume bunk gear, unless the person is on medical grade/compounded Test).

Logically speaking, almost any medication will have a starting dosage which will usually be titrated upwards to gain a desired outcome based off symptoms and (sometimes) supporting bloodwork. Testosterone/TRT is no different. Bloodwork doesn't always =/= symptom relief, but is a good starting point. There are medications, for example, SSRI's which there isn't (necessarily) bloodwork to show symptom relief and/or efficacy. A doctor/physician/psychiatrist will simply adjust dosage based off "feels", i.e. patient feedback.

 

[leepriest_doshapemontado]

I do 250mg a week for trt now, going into it you expect wayy more with less, (1700ng) (make sure to do what your gut tells you to do in the end) stick to learning what each compound can do for you. I will say 525mg, 75mg daily was really fun. No Ai needed, And plan on going with 600 next blast? with 250-300npp weekly what would yall recommend for an Ai dosage?

that 525mg you re doing IM or subQ applications? what ester?
with NPP you also think to go with daily appls?

 

[Blange89]

Remind EQ have a half-life of 14/15 days it's a long ester derivate of DHT.

Since when to did it change from a testosterone derivative?

 

[Doubleomexican]

that 525mg you re doing IM or subQ applications? what ester?
with NPP you also think to go with daily appls?

Test-C, with intramuscular, I personally find daily causes me to have the least amount of roid rage, so daily all the way. otherwise I'd love to switch to Test-U and Deca-Durabolin. Once a week injections sounds interesting imo.

 

[Doubleomexican]

Since when to did it change from a testosterone derivative?

It and DHB under More Plates More Dates are technically Test Derivatives, but puts them in DHT derivate category.

 

[Avarice911]

It and DHB under More Plates More Dates are technically Test Derivatives, but puts them in DHT derivate category.

Moreplatesmoredates said it so it must be correct. Boldenone is still a test derivative. I’d take everything he says with a grain of salt

 

[permission to land]

That's a broad question, since there's really no such thing as a "safe" anabolic, generally speaking. That being said, I see no reason to use EQ over other trite and true AAS like Primo/Mast that will give a similar E2 lowering effect, dryness, etc, without the worry of all the health complications that come along with using Equipoise.

If health is your goal you're much better off with using, say, 600 Testosterone/300 Primobolan (some prefer Masteron due to cost and/or "feels") -- that's if you have a predisposition to having high estrogen symptoms on Test alone and wish to not use an AI. If that isn't the case, there's no reason to not utilize a higher Test dosage alone instead of stacking different compounds together, unless you're willing to forego the "health" aspect for aesthetic concerns.

This is just my opinion though, which are like assholes...yada yada yada.

With health in mind, how would 300 test 200 primo do you vs 500 test?

Less gains, but I bet less water and ovally more healthy?

 

[effswithtren]

It and DHB under More Plates More Dates are technically Test Derivatives, but puts them in DHT derivate category.

Derek is a broscience stupidhead hackfraud.

 

[lundgren]

This is not entirely correct. I'm not sure where the idea that anything above 200mg per week is not considered TRT, as I have yet to find any medical literature to support a one size fits all dosage on an individual basis. Most people are here are utilizing AAS for recreational, professional, or other purposes and very few are actually buying UGL for TRT for life. Obviously someone using 750mg, 800mg, or even a gram of Testosterone is most likely not on TRT (if there is research to show this exists, even anecdotal with consistent bloodwork, I will retract my statement -- even then I'd assume bunk gear, unless the person is on medical grade/compounded Test).

Logically speaking, almost any medication will have a starting dosage which will usually be titrated upwards to gain a desired outcome based off symptoms and (sometimes) supporting bloodwork. Testosterone/TRT is no different. Bloodwork doesn't always =/= symptom relief, but is a good starting point. There are medications, for example, SSRI's which there isn't (necessarily) bloodwork to show symptom relief and/or efficacy. A doctor/physician/psychiatrist will simply adjust dosage based off "feels", i.e. patient feedback.

Like i said in occidental country (i don't know for other) when your get a script if your request more than 200 TC and other country 250mg TE, some doctor refuse to prescrib more than this dose.

And if your test level are good with for exemple 150mg/ week and request more, again the doctor will refuse to increase the dosage.

From my side if i have no symptom and feel great at 400-500ng (the max here are at around 720ng) i don't request for more.

Everyone is different, but the doctor have study the pathology and he has a responsibility if the patient get some side effect or other things, if the protocol are not respected the doctor may have legal problems until he loses his right to practice (for a simply script of test).

But thanks for opinion.

 

[lundgren]

With health in mind, how would 300 test 200 primo do you vs 500 test?

Less gains, but I bet less water and ovally more healthy?

Hummmmm it's interested combo <3
But Primo have a big impact on some value, so start at 100mg first 1-4 weeks and check like estradiol and depend up to 200mg.

Less gains ? Primo are low on the paper, but if it's well used 200mg / week are suffisant to build some quality gain in 6-8 weeks like 5kgs if the diet / training and hygiene of life are ok.

But it's not easy to find a real primo and well dosed, the pharma grade nowday cost one kidney :-(

 

[borkies]

Derek is a broscience stupidhead hackfraud.

Dont forget his chicken legs.

 

[Vanargandar]

But thanks for opinion.

This isn't an opinion, this is something most would consider absolute in regards to symptom relief, efficacy, and positive bloodwork outcomes. Just because you're pulling some arbitrary number out of thin air that traditional doctors/endo's and forum bros have as an upper limit, does not mean that anything above that number automatically isn't considered TRT/HRT for a specific individual. Does 150mg p/w work for some/most? I would argue yes. But there are plenty of low-responders to TRT that need higher dosages. There's even non-responders to Testosterone. Just because YOU feel good at 400-500ng/dL doesn't mean someone else will feel the same.

 

[Vanargandar]

With health in mind, how would 300 test 200 primo do you vs 500 test?

Less gains, but I bet less water and ovally more healthy?

I hate to make blanket statements or use cookie cutter dosages, but I also know a lot of people on here just want an answer, so an answer I shall give. I would typically run any Test + DHT with an affinity to lower E2 at a 2:1 ratio to avoid crashing estrogen. That being said, there are people on here who've run a 2:1 ratio and still crashed their E2 with Primo/Mast. The only way to see how you react is through proper bloodwork and move the needle (no pun intended) accordingly.

EDIT: There are also anecdotal reports from members here running Test + Primo or Mast at a 1:1 ratio and not crashing their E2. Refer to the aforementioned about bloodwork.

 

[lundgren]

This isn't an opinion, this is something most would consider absolute in regards to symptom relief, efficacy, and positive bloodwork outcomes. Just because you're pulling some arbitrary number out of thin air that traditional doctors/endo's and forum bros have as an upper limit, does not mean that anything above that number automatically isn't considered TRT/HRT for a specific individual. Does 150mg p/w work for some/most? I would argue yes. But there are plenty of low-responders to TRT that need higher dosages. There's even non-responders to Testosterone. Just because YOU feel good at 400-500ng/dL doesn't mean someone else will feel the same.

Again it's like i said

" Everyone is different, but the doctor have study the pathology and he has a responsibility if the patient get some side effect or other things, if the protocol are not respected the doctor may have legal problems until he loses his right to practice (for a simply script of test)."

But it's protocol like i said if you know better than the doctor, go to the faculty to change classes and lessons.

if your don't feel great with heathly level of test you need to consult another specialist and not endo ;-) the problem don't come surely from this value ...

But again thanks for your opinion

 

[lundgren]

That’s unhealthy levels though. Most guys produce half that natty. When I do TRT I’d be looking at the least effective dose. You could half that dose and feel fine I bet.

it is not easy to make people understand and when the problems arise....

In the end everyone is free to do what they want ;-)