What is this compound 18-methylester-4en-3-one-17b-ol?

[Type-IIx]

It\s not wrong though, looking at superdrol

It wasn't wrong before Superdrol stopped being sold in most countries' health supplement shops, before it was understood to be a potent AAS, and not a prodrug at all.

 

[BigTomJ]

It\s not wrong though, looking at superdrol

15lbs of water in 4 weeks as well as doubling ALT and AST maybe.

superdrol was never as good as any of the fanboys think it was.
it was the best to survive the PH craze, but still not as mythical as people believe

 

[Juicedhead]

Those are good ones. Epistane is active itself and also a prodrug to Phera-Plex (a 2-ene; cool drug class). I like methylstenbolone too. But agree in principle.

yeah i have some injectable methylstenbolone that I want to try eventually.

 

[BigTomJ]

Definitely. It doesn't hurt that they're perceived as having "less stigma" than AAS, or even as safer, which is decidedly not the case in reality.

"Its legal, you can buy it at GNC, it must be safe"
-Every gym bro from the 2000s

 

[Type-IIx]

15lbs of water in 4 weeks as well as doubling ALT and AST maybe.

superdrol was never as good as any of the fanboys think it was.
it was the best to survive the PH craze, but still not as mythical as people believe

Some guys that get really flat but are otherwise freaky look good on a very low dose, like 5 mg, for a peak or mini-peak needed for whatever reason.

 

[BigTomJ]

Some guys that get really flat but are otherwise freaky look good on a very low dose, like 5 mg, for a peak or mini-peak needed for whatever reason.

i could see that, cosmetic effects can be really drastic and very individual in a fully depleted, stage ready condition.

seen similar with some people peeking with anadrol.
Ive seen some people just "pop"" at their peek with drol, while others spill over super easily.

 

[PogO]

@BigTomJ do you have a favorite oral, something that you rate highly?

 

[BigTomJ]

@BigTomJ do you have a favorite oral, something that you rate highly?

No, i think using orals for anything other than to leverage their TEMPORARY strength or cosmetic effects is stupid.

Orals suck for actually building muscle and have a astronomically less favorable risk/reward profile than responsible use of traditional injectable AAS.

Orals are excellent for a temporary cosmetic effect (useful for competitive bodybuilding) and for temporary strength benefits (useful for strength sports and for pushing through plateaus).

for the average recreational gym bro PED user, orals are almost worthless.
They are fun and all, but they arent effective towards any serious goals.

 

[Type-IIx]

i could see that, cosmetic effects can be really drastic and very individual in a fully depleted, stage ready condition.

seen similar with some people peeking with anadrol.
Ive seen some people just "pop"" at their peek with drol, while others spill over super easily.

Exactly. Dianabol is too messy a drug for anyone, it's that 17α-methylestrogen (like Methyltest, that nobody uses because of it). Drol can be good for a lot of guys when used properly.

 

[Type-IIx]

No, i think using orals for anything other than to leverage their TEMPORARY strength or cosmetic effects is stupid.

Orals suck for actually building muscle and have a astronomically less favorable risk/reward profile than responsible use of traditional injectable AAS.

Orals are excellent for a temporary cosmetic effect (useful for competitive bodybuilding) and for temporary strength benefits (useful for strength sports and for pushing through plateaus).

for the average recreational gym bro PED user, orals are almost worthless.
They are fun and all, but they arent effective towards any serious goals.

This is my opinion, too.

 

[BigTomJ]

Exactly. Dianabol is too messy a drug for anyone, it's that 17α-methylestrogen (like Methyltest, that nobody uses because of it). Drol can be good for a lot of guys when used properly.

Ive never used dbol for any application. (se my stance on orals in general above)

But still i never understood why people absolutely LOVE dbol so much.
Shit just way overcomplicates everything

 

[BigTomJ]

No, i think using orals for anything other than to leverage their TEMPORARY strength or cosmetic effects is stupid.

Orals suck for actually building muscle and have a astronomically less favorable risk/reward profile than responsible use of traditional injectable AAS.

Orals are excellent for a temporary cosmetic effect (useful for competitive bodybuilding) and for temporary strength benefits (useful for strength sports and for pushing through plateaus).

for the average recreational gym bro PED user, orals are almost worthless.
They are fun and all, but they arent effective towards any serious goals.

@BigTomJ do you have a favorite oral, something that you rate highly?

I should clarify further that my above statement applies ONLY to traditional oral AAS. Since youre asking and showing a trash PH product that youve implied that you have interest in buying

No sarms or pro hormones or research chems.
I do not believe there is any intelligent use case for them over the better understood and more effective AAS alternatives and absolutely any use of them is for fools

 

[Type-IIx]

yeah i have some injectable methylstenbolone that I want to try eventually.

Just swallow it bro. No difference in efficacy/potency, and only worse for tolerability, to inject a drug that's designed for oral use.

Also, not sure whether it's just an artifact of the methods used, but in Vida (kind of the bible of AAS to me), Superdrol (similar to Methylsten) was actually a lot more potent when taken by mouth than injected.

Actually, it was more potent injected but without any distinction between androgenic & anabolic effects; the favorability of its anabolic/androgenic rating then made it virtually unusable. But this is Hershberger Assay stuff, not really applicable to man.

 

[readalot]

Some guys that get really flat but are otherwise freaky look good on a very low dose

I can confirm this. Ran 50 mg/day of oxandrolone on top of my abusive 200 mg/week TC for 4 weeks. So so.

Switched up to a wimpy 12.5 mg/day of stanozolol for this last two weeks. Holy crap. First time using stanzolol. Veins splitting off from veins. Obviously only applicable with very low BF.

 

[Type-IIx]

Ive never used dbol for any application. (se my stance on orals in general above)

But still i never understood why people absolutely LOVE dbol so much.
Shit just way overcomplicates everything

I'll share with you my personal fondness looking back at my youthful experiment with Dbol:

When I was on it, I was pretty full looking & probably looked a bit more "freaky" than usual in size, and I happened to reconnect with a very attractive female who I had grown up with and always admired for her beauty, and she fellated me.

So, I kinda like it for that reason; but think I actually looked and felt pretty subpar on it, and didn't like the constant feeling of hypo & hunger/appetite. It felt "cheap."

 

[Type-IIx]

I can confirm this. Ran 50 mg/day of oxandrolone on top of my abusive 200 mg/week TC for 4 weeks. So so.

Switched up to a wimpy 12.5 mg/day of stanozolol for this last two weeks. Holy crap. First time using stanzolol. Veins splitting off from veins. Obviously only applicable with very low BF.

Superdrol is methasterone.

But yes, low dose stanozolol is potent. It has a 24 h half life, too, given its pyrazole ring.

 

[readalot]

Superdrol is methasterone.

But yes, low dose stanozolol is potent. It has a 24 h half life, too, given its pyrazole ring.

Sorry for confusion. Was just listing my compounds. I can see where reader may think I was conflating methasterone with oxandrolone. Related only as a 17aa AAS example.

I use only chemical names to avoid any confusion. But I understand anavar is not going anywhere as a common term.