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New to Testosterone and other peptides, I made a dosing schedule.
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Spaceman Spiff
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Not gonna sit there and dissect that tbh.
This is a tip.
this is how I lay out my plans for a cycle.
This is a tip.
this is how I lay out my plans for a cycle.
Mongo966
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Is that a 5x5 program?
Thank you for the more simplified way of looking at it.
I'm an engineer and probably too detailed with things. I've even written a program to help with this. just having some fun.
UncleBuns
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Is this your first time using all these compounds?
Many of them I've been on for a few cycles. As far as the peptides.
This is my first time introducing HGH, hcg, testosterone and it's supporting components.
UncleBuns
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Seems overly complicated. Just do the test + HCG and HGH if you want at 3 or 4 IU. Have AI on hand. That's plenty for 1st time with test. What's your plan for lab work?
Cereal masturbator
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Yeah I’d definitely up the 2IU of HGH personally, and if you’re going to run the IGF1 take a 2 weeks break every 4 weeks, it’s my understanding that stops being effective pretty quickly if you don’t have regular breaks, and consider upping the dose, I know a lot of place say 100MCG is the upper dosage but I think you’ll probably find you need a fair bit more to see results
Will respond to this in more detail later as the way you laid it out is a pain to follow.
Tirzapetide dosage looks kind of high. Test dosage looks fine. Gh and IGF-1 should be synergistic, but you're also running a ton of shit. I could potentially see complications and negative interactions between all of the compounds you're taking.
What's up with all the other peptides you added in there? Just seems like a lot
Tirzapetide dosage looks kind of high. Test dosage looks fine. Gh and IGF-1 should be synergistic, but you're also running a ton of shit. I could potentially see complications and negative interactions between all of the compounds you're taking.
What's up with all the other peptides you added in there? Just seems like a lot
Lab work base lines have been done, I'm not sure what a good test schedule would be. I think halfway or a month or so in it would be a good idea to test again. Then test again near the end of the first 3-4 month cycle.
I actually started the Tirz at 2.5mg and titrated to 10mg over 4 months. Dropped ~65lbs and now I'm on my way back down on dosage and may replace with small dosage of Reta.
the other peptides I've been on for a bit other than Selank/Semax. The ipamorelin and CJC-1295 DAC were meant to help me before starting any Test or HGH. I have not started the BPC-157 or TB-500 yet.
also attached is an updated easier to read schedule.
Again, I'm completely open to suggestions since all the info I've collected is through here, google and friends.
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readalot
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You are new to exogenous testosterone. What is your rationale/thinking behind doing 7/3×250 ~583 mg/week (mean) Test E for your first "cycle"?
Just curious.
What were/are your baseline blood values? TT/FT/SHBG/E2/Hct/CMP/LH/FSH/...
Your hCG dosing/interval are quite reasonable.
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my goal is to achieve a significant anabolic effect while also trying to minimize the potential for side effects that can come with higher doses. It seemed like a balanced starting point that many have found effective.
Considering the half-life of test e, splitting the dose into a 7/3 day rotation is an approach to maintain more consistent levels of testosterone.
Base line values are all within the normal reference range.
TT= 530 ng/dL
FT= 9pg/mL
SHBG= 36 nmol/L
E2= 25 pg/mL
Hct= 42.2%
LH= 4.6mlU/mL
FSH= 9.4 mlU/ML
Sodium= 140 nmol/L
Potassium= 4.7 nmol/L
Creatine= 1.03 mg/dL
Glucose= 93mg/dl
ALT= 23 U/L
let me know if my thinking is off, I'm an engineer not a doctor.
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readalot
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Congrats.
That is a direct immunoassay. Here's the handy transfer tool to get something close to equilibrium dialysis number:
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Hey Folks, thought I would update the graph for free T reference ranges based on LC-MS/MS+ED and compare with Labcorp's direct RIA fT reference range. What the hell do you do with with your direct fT measurement if you want to compare with equibrium dialysis reference ranges? Take the Labcorp...
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Direct FT converted using tool above puts you about 6 ng/dl. Vermeulen calculated FT (function of SHBG, TT, HSA) has you about 10.7 ng/dl assuming 4.3 for HSA. Equilibrium dialysis would probably come back between 8 to 10 ng/dl.
I am conservative vs many so was just interested in how you came to your test dosage. Thanks.
Ohh ok, that makes a lot of sense, my lab FT result is basically useless. My albumin is at 4.8.
is the Vermeulen calculation usually accurate enough or is it worth getting the equilibrium testing done?
lift4lyfe
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Not an engineer but my log is on google sheets and has a running total MG/week and another column to track remaining MG in blood based on ester half life. So don’t let anyone tell you it’s too complicated.
And it highlights the current date
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lift4lyfe
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I recommend dosing GLPs more often than once a week, especially the first few weeks, and starting at the lowest dose. Less likely to have side effects by slowly building up the dose and preventing high peaks and low troughs.
Someone probably said this already but drop the secretagogues and IGF. GH is enough by itself.
Drop the TB 500 unless you get injured.
Not familiar with selank/semax so no comment there, but why have it?
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You're one of those scientific minds
Smart as hell but can't get the common sense aspect of things.
Smart as hell but can't get the common sense aspect of things.
lift4lyfe
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I wouldnt use HCG so often on cycle. It has a half-life of 36 hours compared to 30 minutes for LH. Desensitization is a risk IMO.
I do it every other week, 3x a week, and end it at least 2 weeks before starting PCT.
Also, I wouldn’t start PCT so soon after cycle. I’d wait 3-4 weeks after last test e/c shot and check total T levels, and only start PCT once total T is below 300. I believe it’s helpful for the body to experience low T for a few days so it kick starts the HPTA then start the enclo.
Id drop clomid, tamox, and AI from pct and run solo enclomiphene.
Maybe I’m very wrong in my way of doing things. Or maybe you haven’t caught up with the more recent pct advice. Dunno but I’d keep doing research before starting the cycle. Seeing an AI in your pct is a red flag IMO. Watch more youtube videos, read more articles, and talk to chatGPT 4
UncleBuns
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E3D for test E is fine. Personally for a cycle I like EOD for less fluctuation in levels. I've done ED but find pinning that often annoying. E3.5D for T E/C is minimum. Assuming you will PCT run the HCG at 1000 per week or higher and continue it while test clears your system.
If you have never run test it is reasonable to start at 250 or 300 the first week. You may be happy at 300 or 400, or you may want to ramp up higher. After your first run with test you'll know how you react to it and if you do a second run just jump into your dose immediately. It's easy to go higher on dose but if you are one of the unlucky and break out in acne or something you just have to wait for the esters to clear. Not everyone agrees with me about this conservative approach, but I'm a fan of finding out about sides at a lower dosage rather than getting more intense sides and riding them out.
Your baseline labs look fine. Might want to get a baseline of AST, lipid profile, and CRP as well though. Those can help indicate if your body is not reacting well. I'd get labs at about 6 weeks in. If you think you have E2 sides you can always just pull a sensitive E2 to check. If you decide to use an AI it's ideal to pull an E2 before and after AI use. A big part of a first test cycle is to find how much E2 you produce, if AI is needed, and what dose of AI works without crushing E2. You hopefully won't need it, but HAVE AI IN YOUR HANDS BEFORE STARTING THE CYCLE.
If you have never run test it is reasonable to start at 250 or 300 the first week. You may be happy at 300 or 400, or you may want to ramp up higher. After your first run with test you'll know how you react to it and if you do a second run just jump into your dose immediately. It's easy to go higher on dose but if you are one of the unlucky and break out in acne or something you just have to wait for the esters to clear. Not everyone agrees with me about this conservative approach, but I'm a fan of finding out about sides at a lower dosage rather than getting more intense sides and riding them out.
Your baseline labs look fine. Might want to get a baseline of AST, lipid profile, and CRP as well though. Those can help indicate if your body is not reacting well. I'd get labs at about 6 weeks in. If you think you have E2 sides you can always just pull a sensitive E2 to check. If you decide to use an AI it's ideal to pull an E2 before and after AI use. A big part of a first test cycle is to find how much E2 you produce, if AI is needed, and what dose of AI works without crushing E2. You hopefully won't need it, but HAVE AI IN YOUR HANDS BEFORE STARTING THE CYCLE.
lift4lyfe
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I would not run 583mg/week as a first cycle. For all u know u may grow tits at 350.
What is your current bf % estimate?
You just lost 65 pounds… you don’t need more than 300mg/week test.
Run 300 and build some muscle while losing more fat for 12-16 weeks.
PCT and let your body adjust to the huge change. Get your exercise and diet dialed in. Plan some exercise mesocycles for the lagging body parts. Wait 12–16 weeks then do a cycle with >300/week if ur e2 can handle it. Add some primo or mast if you’re under 12% bf. Add some npp if you’re old and joints hurt. Very small doses to start <100mg/week
