TrenboloneTax: Hybrid Cycling / Lifting Log aka Make Hulk Bike Fast

[Trenbolonetax]

what device/app did you use to get those readings?

Apple Watch, not perfect but better than nothing!

 

[Trenbolonetax]

I think the impact of reta on HR is downplayed. In my sleep normally I'm in the 50s somewhere. On 3 mg reta I was low to mid 60s and now at 5 mg (first time at this dose, been on 3 mg for a while) I was low 70s last few nights.

I'm hoping the HR will drop down as my body gets used to the new dose but we'll see.

The HR increase on tirz for me at first was pretty wild. But since I’m not GLP1 naive the switch to Reta wasn’t that bad.

It’s worst when I’m full no doubt.

 

[twreck555]

Just stopped by to see... Jesus fucking christ dude you just keep growing, it's mind boggling lol

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Just stopped by to see... Jesus fucking christ dude you just keep growing, it's mind boggling lol

Getting big is my specialty lol appreciate it brother. I need to pop into your thread and see how things are going with you!

 

[twreck555]

I'll google it right now, but it's better to have a lower pulse pressure with diastolic higher? Why?

Rather have 130/80?

EDIT: Nvm. Quick google

So... correct me if you got more up to date information but I've always been under the impression that:

Diastolic pressure is more of an indicator of overall fluid balance, with a low diastolic indicating volume depletion such as dehydration or blood loss, and a high diastolic indicating fluid overload, from endocrine kidney or cardiac pathology usually.

Whereas pulse pressure is more of an indicator of sympathetic tone, whether that's drug induced or from a physiological state or possibly as a compensatory mechanism.

Thus an otherwise healthy person could be volume depleted and have a low diastolic while still having a normal systolic because their body compensates by increasing sympathetic tone and thus increasing cardiac output.

I've also been under the impression that diastolic pressure is a stronger prognostic indicator than systolic or pulse pressure. Did you learn something different in your Google search?

Now granted my knowledge base is much more geared towards emergency medicine and thus acute states rather than chronic, so the pathophysiology of ongoing hypertension isn't as familiar to me as say, the physiological responses to trauma.

 

[twreck555]

@Trenbolonetax do you ever do forearm specific exercises? What exercises do you think are best for forearms?

I do. Lots of them actually, mostly for climbing so finger strength specific rather than for hypertrophy.

One forearm exercise that i love which is geared towards hypertrophy are finger rolls:

Stand in a squat rack with a Barbell resting in the safeties just a bit lower than your hands with your hands at your sides. Pick up the barbell with your wrists supinated, hands facing away. Let your hands open slowly and let the bar roll down until it's only on your fingertips, then close your grip so the bar rolls back up into your palm. Repeat.

You can move a surprising amount of weight this way for relatively high reps, and should quickly feel as if your forearms are about to explode.

Other more specific exercises to look into:

Hang boards
Campus board
Tindeq recruitment pulls using tension block or similar
Finger deadlifts with tension block
Classic wrist curls
Reverse wrist curls
Pronation/supination using the mace or similar device

That should get you started

 

[Trenbolonetax]

So... correct me if you got more up to date information but I've always been under the impression that:

Diastolic pressure is more of an indicator of overall fluid balance, with a low diastolic indicating volume depletion such as dehydration or blood loss, and a high diastolic indicating fluid overload, from endocrine kidney or cardiac pathology usually.

Whereas pulse pressure is more of an indicator of sympathetic tone, whether that's drug induced or from a physiological state or possibly as a compensatory mechanism.

Thus an otherwise healthy person could be volume depleted and have a low diastolic while still having a normal systolic because their body compensates by increasing sympathetic tone and thus increasing cardiac output.

I've also been under the impression that diastolic pressure is a stronger prognostic indicator than systolic or pulse pressure. Did you learn something different in your Google search?

Now granted my knowledge base is much more geared towards emergency medicine and thus acute states rather than chronic, so the pathophysiology of ongoing hypertension isn't as familiar to me as say, the physiological responses to trauma.

I didn’t google very deep. Basically came to conclusion that people with more muscle tend to have higher pulse pressure. That’s enough for me. What am I gonna do about it? I’m sure systolic will lower a bit after this blast. Maybe I’ll get to 120/66.

I’m not convinced that if my diastolic was 80 I would be healthier than if it was where it is now (66). Despite what the studies say. Just my retarded opinion don’t roast me too hard people. Maybe I’ll explain my reasoning with broscience a different day but I want to look at some more info before I try and do that.

My simpleton understanding of systolic and diastolic is pressure during vs pressure in between beats. That’s about as far as it goes.

 

[twreck555]

I didn’t google very deep. Basically came to conclusion that people with more muscle tend to have higher pulse pressure. That’s enough for me. What am I gonna do about it? I’m sure systolic will lower a bit after this blast. Maybe I’ll get to 120/66.

I’m not convinced that if my diastolic was 80 I would be healthier than if it was where it is now (66). Despite what the studies say. Just my retarded opinion don’t roast me too hard people. Maybe I’ll explain my reasoning with broscience a different day but I want to look at some more info before I try and do that.

My simpleton understanding of systolic and diastolic is pressure during vs pressure in between beats. That’s about as far as it goes.

I'm not familiar with any increase in risk associated with having diastolic less than eighty.

Greater than eighty maybe.

Greater than ninety certainly

 

[Trenbolonetax]

I'm not familiar with any increase in risk associated with having diastolic less than eighty.

Greater than eighty maybe.

Greater than ninety certainly

Pulse pressure would suggest that I have increased risk with my diastolic as low as it is compared to systolic.

I want to do a deeper dive into the studies that prove this out and a learn a little more to figure out how much I should care if at all. Based on my own interpretation and taking into consideration the methodology, study design, population studied, etc.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Pulse pressure would suggest that I have increased risk with my diastolic as low as it is compared to systolic.

I want to do a deeper dive into the studies that prove this out and a learn a little more to figure out how much I should care if at all. Based on my own interpretation and taking into consideration the methodology, study design, population studied, etc.

Yeah so apparently I'm gonna die. Nice knowing y'all.

What I gathered is: don't blast copious amounts of gear it'll raise your BP and likely widen pulse pressure. Don't be fucking hyooge it'll widen pulse pressure.

I'm doing both.

Curious if I can get all BP metrics optimal range post blast. I've always had isolated systolic hypertension which is what prompted use of telmisartan a decade ago. Was huge then too just fatter.

I feel / have a broscience hunch there is physiologic compensatory mechanism even with me not on gear due to size and muscle mass that would have my pulse pressure widened anyhow. But we know being hyoooge isn't good for longevity anyhow.

I'm not really surprised by any of my findings. Though a lot of the studies are performed on older unhealthy population folks and not a ton of data on younger, healthy, athletic individuals.

Good to be more aware of another metric to keep an eye on regardless.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Msten hurting my tummy just a bit combined with the anavar. Not a big deal but appetite is down slightly. Nothing wild.

Took it easy in gym today. Starting to get a little banged up. Maybe tomorrow off.

 

[readalot]

physiologic compensatory

Nice.

Yeah you are still pretty young and have reserve and what appears to be functional endothelium. Just don't keep doing this for the next 20 years OR maybe you will be able to get away with it.

Shrug.

Great if you get a baseline echo soon and repeat every year if you keep going on this path.

I got my bloodwork back and ugly like a suspected. I'm still alive though.

 

[rexy]

I'm still alive though.

Nice to know 90% of Meso's traffic and commenting will remain on schedule then

p.s that wasn't an actual dig btw, just a joke referencing that thread someone started yesterday about the '2-4' constant commenters who're always online.

 

[Ateam2023]

Nice.

Yeah you are still pretty young and have reserve and what appears to be functional endothelium. Just don't keep doing this for the next 20 years OR maybe you will be able to get away with it.

Shrug.

Great if you get a baseline echo soon and repeat every year if you keep going on this path.

I got my bloodwork back and ugly like a suspected. I'm still alive though.

was the Winstrol the culprit in the skwewed blood work?

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Nice to know 90% of Meso's traffic and commenting will remain on schedule then

Worst case scenario I’ll make up for it!

'2-4' constant commenters who're always online.

Shit. Think this might be me.

 

[Benf15harp]

Wait… are you a longevity-ist??

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Wait… are you a longevity-ist??

Benjamin…what do you think bby?

 

[readalot]

was the Winstrol the culprit in the skwewed blood work?

Yeah I'll post it up soon. Pleasantly surprised though. No real difference vs oxandrolone mg for mg on lipids and LFTs. My Hct was getting up there. Joints definitely started getting bad. Stopping the stanozolol. Ran it 5 weeks at 25 mg PWO.

 

[Benf15harp]

Benjamin…what do you think bby?

My mind says no.
My heart says yes
And My weenie says i fukin hope so.

 

[rexy]

My mind says no.
My heart says yes
And My weenie says i fukin hope so.

*whispers* i'm not the only one who thinks TT is an asshole for wearing shorts/covering up his lower half on his last pic, right? Much preferred the naked ones with the censor marks so I could use my imagination and photoshop over----errrr gotta go guys!