Readalots Enhanced Testing

[Liter O' Test]

Guy you just posted a day ago telling a noob who has low energy that he doesn’t need bloodwork he obviously has low T and start taking gear and to blast like he used to. Dude has been off training and gear for months or years. Your “advice” is not only bad but dangerous. If you want to treat your body that way and screw yourself by all means have at it. But take pill to treat that diarrhea of the mouth before you hurt someone.

ok another one of the retards here trying to pile on me.

Yes, I did tell a guy who previously blasted and cruised for years to just take TRT again.

explain to me how that is dangerous.

 

[Millard]

Then came along QSC. The most shady source we have seen or will ever see. I could spend the rest of my day gathering links to where they have blankly admitted to scamming, making threats, doxing, etc and I still don’t know if a day would be long enough to gather it all, but yet they have 9 or an infinite amount of lives here. So guys like me adapted. You don’t see us vetting or doing much calling out any more. Now we even get called shills due to it when in reality we just have a what’s the point mindset.

I would like to promote the idea the holding sources accountable is its own reward. That is the point.

Success should measured by the mere fact of holding sources accountable. If holding them accountable results in their departure then so be it. But don't make it the end goal.

MESO really needs dedicated and determined members to hold these sources accountable. Don't give up on MESO.

Your suggestion of gathering links for each and every one of a source's misbehaviors is great. I've long advocated this approach. It is definitely a high-effort method for accountability but I would love to see it implemented more widely for all sources.

Here are my thoughts on this very approach:

Post in thread 'List of Meso Approved Sources'

Dec 29, 2014

Here are some recommendations that I previously posted to encourage a more meaningful discussion about black market sources that goes beyond a simple GTG vs. scammer label:

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What I would recommend against is calling every BAD lab a scammer. The word "scammer" is so overused that it is has become largely uninformative. As a result, it is often dismissed by a significant percentage of consumers.

There are many instances where "known scammers" continue to recruit hundreds of customers many of which are mostly satisfied with the service; customers who have repeated positive experiences...

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Rather than paint BAD sources with broad designations only, it would be much more useful and effective to provide explicit detail. In essence, create a thread and make a case, including as much detail as possible, about why consumers should not use a particular vendor. For example, here is a non-inclusive list of reasons that vendors have fallen under the umbrella of the "scammer" designation. The availability of these reasons may allow consumers to make better decisions.

• Arrested by law enforcement
• Supply and/or distribution chain arrested by law enforcement
• Becomes confidential informant for law enforcement
• Takes money and never ships product
• Takes money and selectively ships product
• Very complicated/restrictive/ambiguous reship policy in instances of customs seizure
• Only re-ships once in instances of customs seizure notice
• Never re-ships in instances of customs seizure
• Ships product with microbial contamination or visible contaminants
• Ships underdosed product
• Ships product with androgen other than that listed on label
• Ships product with no detectable androgens
• Ships wrong product or does not ship entire order
• Misrepresents UGL products as FDA-approved
• Does not offer replacement products to dissatisfied customers
• Packages shipped in a sloppy manner that results in damaged product
• Packages shipped in insecure manner that increases risk of customs seizure
• Takes excessive amount of time to ship order
• Responds to negative customer feedback with threats of violence or other
• Responds to negative customer feedback with organized shill attack
• Responds to negative customer feedback with dismissive or rude responses
• Customer service is inconsistent
• Takes excessive amount of time to respond to inquiries
• Fails to provide secure email address
• Fails to provide pictures of paraphernalia used in production
• Sells overpriced product
• Source is new and has no feedback and/or history

And here is an example of a member who did this:

Thread 'Beware of MANWHORE / Voodoo - Underdosed bunk dangerous infection unsafe liar security risk deranged'

Mar 26, 2015

MANWHORE / Voodoo has sold members under dosed gear, bunk gear, gear that has failed HPLC testing, gear that has led to members being hospitalized, products that have failed labmax tests, products that have performed poorly on bloodtests, under filled vials, and bunk gear brewed with poor sterility.

MANWHORE has also demonstrated deranged and incredibly dangerous behavior. MANWHORE has made up lies about Meso members in order to discredit them and to silence them. MANWHORE has also accused customers of being reverse scammers without evidence, and has accused members of being reps for...

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[Spaceman Spiff]

Your suggestion of gathering links for each and every one of a source's misbehaviors is great. I've long advocated this approach. It is definitely a high-effort method for accountability but I would love to see it implemented more widely for all sources.

Like for when @infinitylab stole my anavar test results and @CCUSA 's Anadrol report?

 

[Stealth500]

With rhinestones on the back that says please BeeHave

sadly my dreams of becoming a mesoRX yo-yo master were crushed when i was reported for not behaving.

 

[musclesiege]

ok another one of the retards here trying to pile on me.

Yes, I did tell a guy who previously blasted and cruised for years to just take TRT again.

explain to me how that is dangerous.

It’s the telling someone to hop on gear and no need for bloods. His cholesterol, BP, liver values, triglycerides, kidneys could have elevated numbers and he doesn’t know so f it yeah hop on. It’s stupid and you should be making non moronic recommendations. How about take the feedback and stop being a dangerous pile of garbage.

 

[bigMoJo]

Mandatory source-sponsored full enhanced testing panel -> advocating for more customer testing & harm reduction -> against harm reduction.

Most members fall in the middle. Being against harm reduction is a big shift in that spectrum and I don't think it applies to anyone.

Read through to below... Does this help explain the point being made.....?

Are the true advocates of harm reduction outnumbered on this forum at this point in time?

yes, without a doubt.
Probably 10/1

If we look at it in the most practical sense... it's not about harm reduction... it's about "price reduction."

The majority who would vote against harm reduction would do so really because of the incredibly low prices of products. Not just oils, but the vast selection of all the other low-priced raws, hGH & powders.

GLP's are an entirely new and giant market now. Their cost at the pharmacy and legal clinics is 10 to 20 times that of UGL, vs 2 to 3 times UGL when comparing TRT clinics and oils.

*** Substitute the following into the crossed off part of the sentence in my previous post above:

"true advocates of harm reduction"

 

[AlexDavis43]

Advocating for more customer testing is not "true advocates of harm reduction."

I disagree but understand your point:

For true advocacy, you need to advocate "mandatory source-sponsored full enhanced testing panel on every batch."

Even though sources can still send in their best samples for testing and sell you whatever they want.

Back to all or nothing, tribalism.

Now, advocating for more customer testing is against harm reduction because it's not true advocacy.

Read through to below... Does this help explain the point being made.....?






*** Substitute the following into the crossed off part of the sentence in my previous post above:

"true advocates of harm reduction"

 

[bigMoJo]

Advocating for more customer testing is not "true advocates of harm reduction."

I disagree but understand your point:

For true advocacy, you need to advocate "mandatory source-sponsored full enhanced testing panel on every batch."

Even though sources can still send in their best samples for testing and sell you whatever they want.

Back to all or nothing, tribalism.

Now, advocating for more customer testing is against harm reduction because it's not true advocacy.

Alex,
My post had nothing to say about any kind of testing. The topic was not about testing.

Millard's entire post was solely discussing bans for sources who engage in harmful behavior. The posts that led Millard to make his post were discussing bans for sources who engage in harmful behavior being "voted of the island."

Voting off harmful behavior and enhanced testing are separate topics. You're mixing the two... honest mistake... you're not the only one.

 

[iris]

Alex,
My post had nothing to say about any kind of testing. The topic was not about testing.

Millard's entire post was solely discussing bans for sources who engage in harmful behavior. The posts that led Millard to make his post were discussing bans for sources who engage in harmful behavior being "voted of the island."

Voting off harmful behavior and enhanced testing are separate topics. You're mixing the two... honest mistake... you're not the only one.

Fair enough.

So far, the two issue have been collated, here, as testing is the topic of the thread.
It could be misunderstood, if one only read your message and did not look back at harm reduction being written about in terms of the impossibility of banning sources, so a change of subject.

Also, having in mind what preceded it (shills, undisclosed interests, reasons weaponised against these ideas being promoted), it gave the impression it was about it.
My bad for being one of those who read it incorrectly and so, apologies and thanks for your post.

 

[Liter O' Test]

It’s the telling someone to hop on gear and no need for bloods. His cholesterol, BP, liver values, triglycerides, kidneys could have elevated numbers and he doesn’t know so f it yeah hop on. It’s stupid and you should be making non moronic recommendations. How about take the feedback and stop being a dangerous pile of garbage.

he has low testosterone, so he should take TRT, its that simple.

Liver values? is he running orals? Do you think TRT would make liver values worse? do you know how TRT works?

Also, i mentioned blood pressure in the post.

Kidneys and lipids? , 99.999999% of people are not going to be too unhealthy for TRT, they would already be in the hospital.

many of the users here are retards, so emotional and eager to prove something that you cannot be objective.

Really making this thread as a "lets try to find posts from this username that are "DANGEROUS" so we can point out he is a hypocrite for wanting testing!" out of nowhere.

thats the dumbest shit I've ever seen, you're not shills, but you people are so illogical you act like shills, I'm the one pointing out how many alt accounts and shills there are influencing the testing narrative.

how does reaching to attempt to discredit me help in any way other than your ego?

its really transparent that just seeing my posts enrages you because I'm articulate,

"oh youre the guy who 3 weeks ago told someone to do TRT without bloodwork, YOURE DANGEROUS YOURE GONNA KILL SOMEONE"

clutching your pearls about a man taking TRT?
Did you learn everything about steroids from Gregg Doucette or something?

this place is cringe, like I've said, the demographic here is a bunch of middle aged guys who started injecting within the past 3 years, started off fat with deep emotional issues that lead them to try to solve them with gear during a mid life crisis.

mostly idiots are here apparently, upvoting nonsense posts like yours just because they lack social connection in real life, or despite spending so much time here, don't have a basic understanding of AAS and the body.

again, you people are so stupid to grasp at things to discredit real members here, no wonder this board is only shills and retards.

it works! and has been working. enjoy your retard circle jerk that the shills allow, where you can pretend you are cool and experienced steroid guys

 

[narta]

this place is cringe

But you were banned, made a new account and returned to this place.

That speaks volumes.

 

[Liter O' Test]

But you were banned, made a new account and returned to this place.

That speaks volumes.

not true, not sure how you would know that.

you are a shill, first you said I was a reselller, now you say I was banned, neither of these things are remotely true, you have a personal thing against me because my comments about the fake accounts on this forum are accurate , including yours.
you are either a source yourself or adjacent to one

 

[Stealth500]

not true, not sure how you would know that.

you are a shill, first you said I was a reselller, now you say I was banned, neither of these things are remotely true, you have a personal thing against me because my comments about the fake accounts on this forum are accurate , including yours.
you are either a source yourself or adjacent to one

maybe he's LE and buddying up to everyone here cheffing aas letting them commit felonies and talk about it publicly. Waiting till they step their game up to a few bricks and send in the feds.

 

[Liter O' Test]

maybe he's LE and buddying up to everyone here cheffing aas letting them commit felonies and talk about it publicly. Waiting till they step their game up to a few bricks and send in the feds.

yes , thats part of his deal after he got busted

 

[Stealth500]

i was joking... just being wildly speculative. Ive seen a lot of his posts.. nothing he's said has ever given me the urge to buy any vendors products.

 

[narta]

first you said I was a reselller, now you say I was banned, neither of these things are remotely true,

you are a shill,

you are either a source yourself or adjacent to one

yes , thats part of his deal after he got busted

The thing is, most people in here can use the search function and have a pretty clear opinion of who is what.

I will let them decide who is the joke.

 

[Stealth500]

can you guys please stop diluting the thread.. we are supposed to be making fun of readalot.

 

[SkankHunt]

they were banned for blatantly and repeatedly breaking MESO’s rules

So this is where me and others get confused. The members were permanently banned for breaking the rules multiple times. However when a source does it, it’s a temporary ban? So is there a set in stone number of times the rules need to be broken for a permanent ban? I’m not being sarcastic I’m genuinely confused on what that number is. We were all under the impression the “3 strikes you’re out” rule was a thing.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

So this is where me and others get confused. The members were permanently banned for breaking the rules multiple times. However when a source does it, it’s a temporary ban? So is there a set in stone number of times the rules need to be broken for a permanent ban? I’m not being sarcastic I’m genuinely confused on what that number is. We were all under the impression the “3 strikes you’re out” rule was a thing.

@lonewolf54321 was one I was surprised that was permabanned at the start.

 

[BigTomJ]

The thing is, most people in here can use the search function and have a pretty clear opinion of who is what.

I will let them decide who is the joke.

Anyone whos been here for a while knows exactly whos legit and whos a hollow member.
Its always hilarious when people throw accusations towards established guys, like we dont all know whos sourcing and not