Readalots Enhanced Testing

[intense_bulldoze]

Lots of drama in this thread. Now it seems like 2 main issues.

One with the ET testing and the member or members supporting or pushing testing and the other with how this board operates.

Members never completely run a board. If they want to, they should create their own board IMO. No board is perfect and you can't keep everyone happy. Boards with constant drama eventually sink from what I have seen.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Boards with constant drama eventually sink from what I have seen.

Based off of the history of this board there has been drama on and off since the start. If anything it has grown.


Maybe the recent stuff has discouraged alot of the more experienced users.

Anything online has constant drama.... have you seen reddit?

 

[intense_bulldoze]

Based off of the history of this board there has been drama on and off since the start. If anything it has grown.


Maybe the recent stuff has discouraged alot of the more experienced users.

Anything online has constant drama.... have you seen reddit?

Good points. Reddit can be horrible depending on the monitoring.

 

[CryAboutIt]

Well well well. I stumbled on this thread all due to the QSC darkness. What is this all about? I don’t have time to sift thru 83 pages. Not today!

 

[Ateam2023]

Well well well. I stumbled on this thread all due to the QSC darkness. What is this all about? I don’t have time to sift thru 83 pages. Not today!

 

[musclesiege]

can you guys please stop diluting the thread.. we are supposed to be making fun of readalot.

That got me, lol

 

[musclesiege]

I think liter gets the gold star for using shill and source more than I thought humanly possible.

 

[musclesiege]

The best thing about this thread is the activity. Lively discussion some good some bad some off topic but seeing the engagement from members that used to be so active but have been inactive for months or more. These are members who truly make this place valuable and if it takes a straw breaking the camels back type discussion like this it was worth if only for that.

 

[T-Bagger]

The best thing about this thread is the activity. Lively discussion some good some bad some off topic but seeing the engagement from members that used to be so active but have been inactive for months or more. These are members who truly make this place valuable and if it takes a straw breaking the camels back type discussion like this it was worth if only for that.

Shut up shill

 

[musclesiege]

Shut up shill

Shill! Source shill! Loud noises!

 

[T-Bagger]

The best thing about this thread is the activity. Lively discussion some good some bad some off topic but seeing the engagement from members that used to be so active but have been inactive for months or more. These are members who truly make this place valuable and if it takes a straw breaking the camels back type discussion like this it was worth if only for that.

What next, hold hands in a circle and sing “I’d like to give the world some Coke?”

 

[B Ware]

So this is where me and others get confused. The members were permanently banned for breaking the rules multiple times. However when a source does it, it’s a temporary ban? So is there a set in stone number of times the rules need to be broken for a permanent ban? I’m not being sarcastic I’m genuinely confused on what that number is. We were all under the impression the “3 strikes you’re out” rule was a thing.

I guess the best response we will get is the one below. Sources are untouchable so they can have a presence here and be held accountable, while members are disposable.

Personally I don’t see how that is promoting harm reduction. To me, vendors now have the power the members use to have. I have personally backed off holding sources accountable out of fear of being banned for harassing or spamming and I’ve seen many others do the same.


As far as putting a number on perma bans, who knows. It definitely used to be 3 but I’ve seen guys perma banned their first or second offense. Guessing it is based on the severity of what got that member banned.

MESO stayed true to the principles of harm reduction forum I've outlined - to keep all sources present when possible, regardless of size, popularity, or reputation, in order to hold them accountable.

 

[B Ware]

I would like to promote the idea the holding sources accountable is its own reward. That is the point.

Success should measured by the mere fact of holding sources accountable. If holding them accountable results in their departure then so be it. But don't make it the end goal.

MESO really needs dedicated and determined members to hold these sources accountable. Don't give up on MESO.

Your suggestion of gathering links for each and every one of a source's misbehaviors is great. I've long advocated this approach. It is definitely a high-effort method for accountability but I would love to see it implemented more widely for all sources.

Here are my thoughts on this very approach:

Post in thread 'List of Meso Approved Sources'

Dec 29, 2014

Here are some recommendations that I previously posted to encourage a more meaningful discussion about black market sources that goes beyond a simple GTG vs. scammer label:

----
What I would recommend against is calling every BAD lab a scammer. The word "scammer" is so overused that it is has become largely uninformative. As a result, it is often dismissed by a significant percentage of consumers.

There are many instances where "known scammers" continue to recruit hundreds of customers many of which are mostly satisfied with the service; customers who have repeated positive experiences...

• Millard

• 

And here is an example of a member who did this:

Thread 'Beware of MANWHORE / Voodoo - Underdosed bunk dangerous infection unsafe liar security risk deranged'

Mar 26, 2015

MANWHORE / Voodoo has sold members under dosed gear, bunk gear, gear that has failed HPLC testing, gear that has led to members being hospitalized, products that have failed labmax tests, products that have performed poorly on bloodtests, under filled vials, and bunk gear brewed with poor sterility.

MANWHORE has also demonstrated deranged and incredibly dangerous behavior. MANWHORE has made up lies about Meso members in order to discredit them and to silence them. MANWHORE has also accused customers of being reverse scammers without evidence, and has accused members of being reps for...

• weighted chinup

• 

I remember the MANWHORE thread well. @weighted chinup did a great job and put a lot of effort and time into exposing everything.

Unfortunately while it would be great to have a dedicated thread with links to all of QSC’s bad dealings I am not the guy to take this on. It would take someone weeks to read through that thread and link everything. After they were allowed back after their 3rd ban I left the thread and didn’t go back in there until just recently and that was just to gather info on what’s going on in China.

I do challenge someone to take it on and honestly feel @readalot is just the guy to do a great job with it. FYI… it’s a thread that will be remembered a decade or so later if done right like Weighted ChinUp did.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

As far as putting a number on perma bans, who knows. It definitely used to be 3 but I’ve seen guys perma banned their first or second offense. Guessing it is based on the severity of what got that member banned

I know I brought up @lonewolf54321 a few times. Sure he is a cunt, but he is a friend and has helped throw down for testing, peptides, HGH, etc.

It was his first offense. He definitely is a part of the harm reduction community(well private)

Just the particular community he is part of will be where I post my tests.

 

[fooba]

Those of us that remained and somehow weren’t in the Naps thread were left with the burden of trying to hold the line and vet these sources very short handed. Then came along QSC.

qsc was actually around before those who were banned for the naps stuff as those same people were also in qsc thread posting dont buy from china man no lab tests every 5 minutes, constantly bumping qsc to the top of the underground. would qsc have gotten as big as they did if the thread didnt constantly get bumped to the top for his first year here? who knows

 

[B Ware]

qsc was actually around before those who were banned for the naps stuff as those same people were also in qsc thread posting dont buy from china man no lab tests every 5 minutes, constantly bumping qsc to the top of the underground. would qsc have gotten as big as they did if the thread didnt constantly get bumped to the top for his first year here? who knows

This is untrue. The mass ban happened in August. QSC appeared roughly a month or two months later. The timing was perfect for QSC.

And although the mass ban happened around August guys started getting temp bans around May. This made everyone a bit fearful to vet and hold sources accountable as the dynamics had changed without any announcement or disclosure of what was acceptable.

Hell, here we are years later and @iris just asked admin exactly what are the rules in another thread as they have never been made clear. In the past there were none other than serious stuff like doxing. Even threats were allowed and some of the most respected members here such as Brutus could post about raping your mother’s dead corpse and make it sound like poetry and it was completely acceptable.

 

[Stealth500]

Well well well. I stumbled on this thread all due to the QSC darkness. What is this all about? I don’t have time to sift thru 83 pages. Not today!

td;dr

readalot is now a badass.. some people aren't sipping the kool-aide

 

[iris]

harm reduction community(well private)

Just the particular community he is part of will be where I post my tests.

It's a shame, though, that you have left someone you think so little of disrupt and undermine what you do here and change the way you do things.

Your well known member status is deserved (unlike for many of us) and what you have been doing is certainly proof of why that is in place.

Of course, you do you.
However, I would have thought that, after all this time, you would be able to rise above what you consider "noise".
I don't think that most people here view you the way he does.
But, ok, I get the frustration.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

It's a shame, though, that you have left someone you think so little of disrupt and undermine what you do here and change the way you do things.

Your well known member status is deserved (unlike for many of us) and what you have been doing is certainly proof of why that is in place.

Of course, you do you.
However, I would have thought that, after all this time, you would be able to rise above what you consider "noise".
I don't think that most people here view you the way he does.
But, ok, I get the frustration.

its not really just him but its playing a role. Let people focus on enhanced testing when people dont even do basic HPLC testing.

Idiots preaching ET when they don't even test raws and start randomly taking it orally.

People can find their own way of their own harm reduction. Domestic gear from solid sources with a good rep is out here, instead people choose to take in unlabeled oils. Then following batch results from 2 years ago.

I am sharing the same frustration as many of the vets here.

I know there are alot of shills pushing cheap chinese gear but I feel like we went full retard in the other direction as well.

There are only few people who remain in the middle.


People should be able to use their money saved from buying international for some bare fucking minimum testing.

I even found a cheap way to send it to Jano for under 60 dollars. People have no excuse.

 

[iris]

Let people focus on enhanced testing when people dont even do basic HPLC testing.

Idiots preaching ET when they don't even test raws and start randomly taking it orally.

Sure this is the rational and sensible way of looking at how to improve things, with the basics in place.
And it should all have started from there, really, before having/creating further expectations.
I agree.
And I think most people who have become interested and have been active on this thread also agree.
When you present people with what to prioritise and things get put in perspective, that is how support is garnered.

Again, shame it all descended in a back and forth of accusations and negativity.

The ones that are just after the cheapest Chinese gear will never be interested in harm reduction like you have been.
Also, though, how many buy raws and use them untested?

That is where discussion to raise awareness and the point of this forum should be, but no.

It is what it is, but I will be sorry to see you not "being you" and being part of the forum the way you have been.

Thanks for your reply.