Wrangel7
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HGH section:
To oversimplify it: growth (mostly for muscle, but the acromegalic prognathism also probably countered my slight recession too) and recovery — I simply enjoy training hard, and I like to maximise whatever I'm fixated on at any point in time in a very platonic sense. It's also not as if I started with 90iu straight up. I started with a much lower dose and had sides for a while, which then subsided; then, I increased the dose and continued increasing it as sides weren't really appearing other than a lot of water retention and the HRV & RHR stuff. In fact, the hand numbness was worse at the start at less than a vial a day and was virtually non-existent by the time I got to over 2 vials a day. Only persistent side was the negative impact to HRV & RHR I talked about, which then eventually stopped and reversed (although there was some intervention from me there).What was your goal with the massive GH use? Thanks for sharing your story.
It was only around 90 iu for around a few months. You guys should also remember that my IGF-1 levels are NOT the ones you'd expect from 90 iu:90iu of HGH a day
I'm aware exogenous HGH dosage conversion to IGF-1 is very variable/vague; however, these are IGF-1 levels that are easily representative of sub 20 iu per day dosing, so it's not as if I'm experiencing the IGF-1 elevation usually expected from 90 iu a day. This is the WHOLE POINT of the discussion.Somatomedin-C (IGF-1) ↑ 977.5 ng/mL 134.0 - 450.0 Serum
Could this be causing desensitisation to rHGH more so than very high injection frequency?
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-abstract/87/8/3573/2846550
I also had a very high inj frequency, which also causes desensitisation.Regarding injection frequency, I was aiming for every 4-5 hours, excluding sleep/work. More or less even doses other than after training with a slightly increased dose.
The frequency was to maximise lipolysis benefit to gain more aggressively; however, in hindsight, this was not the best decision.
I'll add this comment as it's somewhat relevant.Also i read paperwork inside genotropins it actually says in small percentage of patients GH antibodies Develop early and in high amounts so huge doses Are needed. I believe even our insurance companies are taking it into account.
So one Guy on a fórum is expected percentage.
Thank you!1: Get a baseline GH Antibody Test.
You can't self order it (too little demand), but if you go to a place like UltaLabTests and ask if they can arrange it for you, I think there's a good chance they'll add it to their "menu" of choices, and at a good discount below the standard ~$200.
2. Start filtering, per dose, just before administration. Aggregates take time to develop, the closer to administration the filtering the less time the trash UGL GH formula will have to recreate more aggregates.
This is the equivalent of changing brands. Given you haven't seen response go to zero, I strongly suspect as soon as the immune stimulating factors are reduced, aggregates and impurities. antibodies will drop, and efficacy will increase.
After a 1-3 months check Antibody levels again. If they're lower, you know you're moving in the right direction and should start lowering the dose to compensate for increased efficacy.
It's rare we see such a clear "loss of efficacy" situation, most of the time it's "feels" reports of members claiming bunk gear, that it worked in the past but this batch isn't working, yet tests show the GH is fine.
That's where the common denominator simian mind on Meso loses interest in trying to establish why (despite the fact this happens with pharma, which is why an anti- immunogenicity protocol and GH antibody tests exist). They take a break, or try another brand or switches to pharma, insists the new brand or pharma is the only way to go, never really digging into why HGH that tests good stopped being effective.
Finally, if you take my advice and get a GH antibody test, which I want to emphasize would be groundbreaking in the UGL community, request the lab provide whatever *raw data* is available. I can't find it at the moment, but I've read a report that said an adult GH non responder (in adults with GH deficiency they look at IGF and not growth like children), didn't show a positive result on the GH antibody test, but in the raw data there were antibodies of another type, not normally considered relevant, that were high. Once those were reduced (with a break and switching brands), HGH treatment efficacy was restored for that patient.
IQ banter section:
Not hoping to revive/drag out this "discussion" too much, so these might be my last responses on this topic unless you guys want to go through with escrow.
Not hoping to revive/drag out this "discussion" too much, so these might be my last responses on this topic unless you guys want to go through with escrow.
Yep. 1 (σ) sigma = 1 SD = 15 points RE: IQIt is a Greek letter and used for standard deviation in statistics.
There's a convenient lifehack when someone's claiming you're BSing. You can use a neutral third party to verify ANY measurable claim (as I've offered to do with escrow), and you can stay anonymous as you only reveal the data to the escrow, who then verifies whether the claim is true or false and consequently resolves the transaction.A few, you say? I’m dubious.
Is anyone willing to actually contest my IQ claim (WAIS-III test report about me with an IQ score of 133) because I can verify it with this method if anyone's up for it.
@Benf15harp @Trenbolonetax @lillijadeclyde @glpfun @LGOP528 @egruberman @Middus ?
As much as you're prepared to give. £1,000? £5,000? £10,000? More? It's not as if I don't have a report from a clinical neuropsychologist at an internationally renowned institution, where it, clear as day, says I was assessed on the WAIS-III and have a "133" score.How much?
Coming from the guy who can't multiply 15 by 2 and add it to 100 (or infer that's how you calculate an IQ at least a few (≥2) sigma over 100). Hint: 133>130.You are too stupid to insult and not worth my time.
You're calling me stupid, but I'm not the one making a factual error in virtually every single interaction between us so far. Can you cite one factual inaccuracy I've made? Just one? I can cite plenty from you (as I have done).
Tbh, I shouldn't be surprised that you don't know what "rebuttal" means and don't use it correctly when you struggle with words like "few" even when presented with a definition.133 IQ but couldn’t see that rebuttal coming?
@LGOP528, come on, I'm sure you can post your IQ score or any sort of g-loaded data you have, and we can compare and use escrow to verify, if you're claiming I'm stupid, what would that make you?So, it turns out you guys do need help navigating a dictionary and learning the meanings of common three letter words.
Here's Merriam-Webster for the Americans and the Oxford English Dictionary for the Brits.
According to both of them, you're wrong.
Would you like help multiplying 15 by 2 and adding it to 100?
Hint: 133>130.
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I didn't bring up IQ. I just falsified someone else's (@Benf15harp) 's claim about my IQ.A tiger doesn't proclaim its trigritude.
This is what it feels like talking to some board members. Not all; some are probably smarter than me and not by a small amount either.Speaking of... imagine what it must be like to be two standard deviations above the mean. That'd be roughly similar to being an average individual living in world full of people with Down's syndrome
They still administer it as recently as the 2020s in the UK in some major neurological centres. Not sure why.WAIS-III that's likely a test from a couple decades ago.
Well, if the doubters put up money in escrow, some small financial benefit may come of it.Nothing good can come from proclaiming it.
For the IQ discussion to be substantive, should we commit to limiting it just to the escrow verification instead of shitslinging because it's not going to be very productive otherwise?
