Well boys… might be the end of gear for me.

[AlexDavis43]

My wife and I are currently trying to determine which vaccines to allow the hospital to give our newborn. We’re going as deep as specific brands / manufacturers to limit what we perceive is risk to our baby.

What vaccines would you disallow initially in the hospital for a newborn, if any?

Good on you for looking into this. I wish I could provide better advice.

The vaccine schedule for newborns seems like a lot in a very short period of time. (maybe that's better? I don't know)

There are some shots that you need to get your kid into daycare (if that's what you're planning), but I don't know if they need to get them all at once.

I've seen some pro-vax arguments that it's fine as long as they're spaced out. It's not like we have long-term studies on this shit.

With whatever path you choose, best wishes.

 

[AlexDavis43]

But low iron levels are associated with high blood sugar / higher A1C

Mine have been crashing to dangerously low levels.

Well there’s another thing to check lol

High ferritin has also been associated with deteriorated glycemic control. Maybe need a sweet spot with other factors. I have always had borderline low hemoglobin and good insulin sensitivity, low FBG.

High iron/ferritin doesn't seem good in general.

Tl;dr: yes, another thing to check

 

[ohio117]

There's a new addition to the DSM-IV of psychiatric disorders, it is abbreviated C19V-R, meaning COVID19 Vaccine Regret. Lol.

The DSM-4 was published in 1994 and has been superseded by the DSM-5. I'm not seeing this addition published Updates to DSM Criteria, Text and ICD-10 Codes

Also your kids should be immunized according to the standard vaccine schedule unless they have specific contraindications, the vaccine schedule has been exhaustively studied and debated at the highest levels

 

[Tbaz192]

Dude I was shaking my ass off in the back of an ambulance, paramedic checked my blood sugar, was normal. Blood pressure was high though. I ate a piece of chocolate from a restaurant that I was parked in front of when I first started shaking, my initial thoughts were I was having a low blood sugar issue.

If you donate, a single donation you can drop 50 pts from ferritin level. I’ve heard of some guys being in the single digits and not having any signs. I fell apart in the 20’s three days after donating. I was only on a trt dose, low GH and low primo … if my memory is correct is was only like 80 T, 80 Primo and 2-3 ius.

If you think about it, if you were in the 40’s ferritin already, donated (not sure if you did or not) and ran low dose cycle, all the drugs are doing what they are designed to do…. All pulling ferritin to increase HCT/Hemo etc… with everyone going to the same store and hardly anything or next to nothing coming in… something has to give.

Just my experience and thoughts, get bloods and run it by your doc.

So it’s been 6+ months since I’ve donated. Honestly don’t even remember. Might be a year or so. So much shit has happened.

most recent cycle was test./ EQ/Adrol which brought my levels to
RBC 6.07
Hemo 18.2
Hematocrit 54.7
Nothing wild. But elevated.

Wish I pulled iron levels.

I just picked up a iron supplement to take just in case I’m drastically low. 65mg of iron, just popped one. Got some steak and some life cereal cuz it’s bomb and full of iron

We’ll see what happens with labs and how I feel in a few days

I highly doubt I’m high, I’ve never had high ferritin levels or family history of it.

Also felt better eating a lot of fish and steak on vacation. Not sure how quickly that can affect my levels. But still interesting

 

[Trenbolonetax]

The DSM-4 was published in 1994 and has been superseded by the DSM-5. I'm not seeing this addition published Updates to DSM Criteria, Text and ICD-10 Codes

Believe it or not, I meant DSM-V. It was also a joke.

Also your kids should be immunized according to the standard vaccine schedule unless they have specific contraindications, the vaccine schedule has been exhaustively studied and debated at the highest levels

Nah, I’ll vaccinate my children how I see fit.

 

[AlexDavis43]

The DSM-4 was published in 1994 and has been superseded by the DSM-5. I'm not seeing this addition published Updates to DSM Criteria, Text and ICD-10 Codes

Also your kids should be immunized according to the standard vaccine schedule unless they have specific contraindications, the vaccine schedule has been exhaustively studied and debated at the highest levels

That is not even remotely true (the bolded part)

If you think otherwise, I call into question your understanding of "exhaustively studied and debated at the highest levels"

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Good on you for looking into this. I wish I could provide better advice.

Thank you sir. Feels irresponsible to take recommendations at face value.

The vaccine schedule for newborns seems like a lot in a very short period of time. (maybe that's better? I don't know)

Agreed. We will be vaccinating in what I will consider a “common sense manner.”

There are some shots that you need to get your kid into daycare (if that's what you're planning), but I don't know if they need to get them all at once.

Nope, no day care necessary!

I've seen some pro-vax arguments that it's fine as long as they're spaced out. It's not like we have long-term studies on this shit.

With whatever path you choose, best wishes.

What do you mean? This has been studied and debated at the highest levels!

Lol, thank you. Will let folks know in the appropriate (maybe I will actually open a vaccines discussion thread) place what we end up deciding. No doubt I’ll be called an irresponsible parent for foregoing certain vaccines. Oh well.

 

[ohio117]

That is not even remotely true (the bolded part)

If you think otherwise, I call into question your understanding of "exhaustively studied and debated at the highest levels"

lol okay. Feel free to rely on whatever internet sources you’ve read. I’ll rely on my understanding after 4 years of medical school and 6 years of specialty training

Please don’t go running to the medical establishment with the consequences of your actions. I’m sure whatever Internet sources you relied on will be more than happy to help.

 

[Ghoul]

lol okay. Feel free to rely on whatever internet sources you’ve read. I’ll rely on my understanding after 4 years of medical school and 6 years of specialty training

Please don’t go running to the medical establishment with the consequences of your actions. I’m sure whatever Internet sources you relied on will be more than happy to help.

That reminds me, if you don't mind, you once mentioned you use .20um filters at your hospital. Just out of curiosity, is that for lyophilized drug prep, or in line for IVs?

 

[Superchicken]

A few years back I had similar symptoms (SOB, dizziness, fatigue, BP issues, shaking, blurred vision etc..) came back to ferritin being tanked from donating (low ferritin without anemia).

I’m not sure if you’ve donated recently or the number of times you’ve donated in the last 6 months etc.., but getting an iron/blood work up is something I would look into. I too was seeing a cardiologist and a shit load of other docs, none thought to check my ferritin because HCT and Hemoglobin were within range or above range. A brother here on MESO reached out and shared his knowledge. I order the labs and took them to my primary doc myself. Game plan changed immediately, except for the cardiologist (went through all the normal test you spoke of (ekg, stress test, monitor and bunch of other shit). All came back normal.

Took over a year of iron supplementation and monitoring to get things back to normal.

Best of luck, if you have more questions
DM me,

Agreeing with this comment. I’m a woman, but had about a year of increasing weird symptoms before health really started to plummet. Ferritin was at 6, hemoglobin was mid range and all other levels appeared normal. After a month of iron supp, got up to 19, but quit because of gastro sides. I’ve done 3 separate iron infusions and they made a huge difference.

I liked Three Arrows because it’s heme and can be taken with food. The Iron Protocol is an Insta page that links to a Facebook account. The info there was helpful to me, but I didn’t follow their dosage protocol.

If you search “ endurance runners anemia” there’s info showing that it’s really common for runners or anyone who exercises intensely to be deficient. My dr wants robust levels >100 to mitigate that as that’s where I become symptomatic again. Just sharing my n1.

Hope you figure this out.

 

[Tbaz192]

I’ll touch back in a week or so with my labs and cardiology results

For those who are keeping tabs on my issues.
Weirdly taking that iron supplement and eating some high iron containing food.
It’s been a few hours now. And I have had zero arm/hand weakness or any overall shaking/dizzy spells.
Just a headache.
Who knows tho.

Peace.

 

[Tbaz192]

Agreeing with this comment. I’m a woman, but had about a year of increasing weird symptoms before health really started to plummet. Ferritin was at 6, hemoglobin was mid range and all other levels appeared normal. After a month of iron supp, got up to 19, but quit because of gastro sides. I’ve done 3 separate iron infusions and they made a huge difference.

I liked Three Arrows because it’s heme and can be taken with food. The Iron Protocol is an Insta page that links to a Facebook account. The info there was helpful to me, but I didn’t follow their dosage protocol.

If you search “ endurance runners anemia” there’s info showing that it’s really common for runners or anyone who exercises intensely to be deficient. My dr wants robust levels >100 to mitigate that as that’s where I become symptomatic again. Just sharing my n1.

Hope you figure this out.

Appreciate it. Hope you got yours all figured Out!

I work a labor intense job. If I tallied up all the weight I lift between work & the gym. It would be thousands upon thousands of pounds a day.
Typically our dump loads are 3-4 thousand pounds minimum lol.

So definitely could be deficient given my work load and the already Low 43 I got a while back. Mixed with the gear & everything else
So more than likely I need to compensate for that even more now.

 

[egruberman]

lol okay. Feel free to rely on whatever internet sources you’ve read. I’ll rely on my understanding after 4 years of medical school and 6 years of specialty training

You can post data ot get the fuck out. If there are studies, and you’re a professional, then surely you will have no problem citing references.

If I were to speculate I would wager that you’re simply parroting the common wisdom from the medical community and lack any specific understanding.

The studies you will find will comprehensively demonstrate that the most aggressive vaccination schedule yields the greatest improvement in herd immunity with very little harm at a population level.

From a public health benefit, that’s optimal, but individual benefit is more difficult to ascertain from the literature. A rational actor must consider both.

Apologies, @Tbaz192

 

[UncleBuns]

@ohio117 @AlexDavis43 @egruberman

Go make your own thread. You're just cluttering the thread and wasting everyone's time.

 

[strongsafety41]

I’ll touch back in a week or so with my labs and cardiology results

For those who are keeping tabs on my issues.
Weirdly taking that iron supplement and eating some high iron containing food.
It’s been a few hours now. And I have had zero arm/hand weakness or any overall shaking/dizzy spells.
Just a headache.
Who knows tho.

Peace.

For me supplementing with iron was like breathing life back into my body. But remember my ferritin was in the 20’s but the time I discovered what was happenings to me.

I specifically remember my blurred vision was the first to go probably an hour or so after taking my first dose. Shortness of breath was another that went away pretty quickly along with palpatations disappearing.

Really wish you got the bloodwork prior to starting iron, so the iron supps wouldn’t skew blood results. But I get it, you wanted relief!

Word of caution though, iron is a slow and steady deal. Too much too soon will cause issues!

Good luck and keep us informed.

 

[AlexDavis43]

@ohio117 @AlexDavis43 @egruberman

Go make your own thread. You're just cluttering the thread and wasting everyone's time.

You have kids and are having doubts because you gave them the full vax regimen? Or just in a mood.

Feel free to not answer so as to not clutter the thread any further.

 

[Tbaz192]

Labs are back 24 hours later. Nice.

Everything is in normal middle range

FASTED LABS

except…

•Glucose 103 (HIGH)
•Bun/creatine ratio 8.9 (LOW)
•Test 789 - Free Test 254 (high)
•TSH 0.86 pushing low ( normal range 0.27-4.20)
Which any lower would indicate hyperthyroidism… interesting

Everything else is normal for me according to my previous labs over the course of doing labs for years.

I’m going to ask to pull labs for vitamins & iron

If anyone else has a suggestion on what to pull lmk.

 

[Tbaz192]

So still feeling weak and dizzy ish.
The main weakness in my extremities has dwindled.
If I had to explain how it feels.
When you have the cold/flu, that whole fatigued weak winded like feeling is what I have. And I’m not sick.

Keeping on the iron supplement, even tho it definitely has some stomach sides for me.

 

[Tbaz192]

EKG again was fine.

Stress test / Echo is next week.

Actually still waiting on A1C to come back and CBC labs

 

[Tbaz192]

Well I suppose I’m due to donate some blood.

RBC 6.1
Hemoglobin 18.4
Hematocrit 55

Wonder if the 18.4 hemo is causing my dizziness and weakness it’s elevated.

A1C is 5.4