Help formulating mass monster cycle

[glpfun]

i put on 32lbs first cycle and 34lbs on second cycle pretty quick and still feel fine

if i put on atleast another 30lbs on my third cycle ill bee 250lbs already so we'll see how i feel but i dont care if i feel like shit honestly its apart of the game

Feeling like shit is definitely not part of the game, just something people convince themselves is necessary. I could see an argument for feeling like shit during contest prep but you shouldn’t be taking so much shit that you’d feel bad on a bulk.

 

[OmL]

4 years training. One cycle. Experienced Tren. Mass Monster cycle.

Oh child, social media has ruined your generation.

 

[RaddishPork]

Is there any way to tell early on if you have the genetics for that size?

You would know if you have those genetics or not. It's the kids who are 16 years old benching 2 plates with ease. The freshman playing on varsity because he's 225lbs eating the same food as everyone else but twice the size. If your dad and uncles are built like brick walls you probably have those genetics.

It's not hard to tell. Look at your family and look at yourself- then ask, do I have normal genetics or not?

Sure there are outliers who look like stick bugs most of their lives until they hit the gym. But for the average person you know if you're going to be built or not by the end of your teen years. Even the bodybuilders who weren't mass monsters in their 20s still looked way better than the average person.

 

[dinfar1337]

i put on 32lbs first cycle and 34lbs on second cycle pretty quick and still feel fine

if i put on atleast another 30lbs on my third cycle ill bee 250lbs already so we'll see how i feel but i dont care if i feel like shit honestly its apart of the game

damn so you're 2 cycles away from being mr olympia?

 

[xrayphoton13]

Get a good coach. That's the best advice I can give. There are several good ones on this board. I used one myself and the difference between trying it on my own vs using him was night and day, a total game changer.

 

[dinfar1337]

You would know if you have those genetics or not. It's the kids who are 16 years old benching 2 plates with ease. The freshman playing on varsity because he's 225lbs eating the same food as everyone else but twice the size. If your dad and uncles are built like brick walls you probably have those genetics.

It's not hard to tell. Look at your family and look at yourself- then ask, do I have normal genetics or not?

Sure there are outliers who look like stick bugs most of their lives until they hit the gym. But for the average person you know if you're going to be built or not by the end of your teen years. Even the bodybuilders who weren't mass monsters in their 20s still looked way better than the average person.

this is bullshit, many many many pro guys were either fat guys or skinny guys hard gainers. took nick walker 10 years to built up to where he is now. look up his transfomation. from what i've concluded to for my own path: sticking to whatever works and keep doing it on a sustainable path is the way to go. you'll never know until you have become it. unless you're jack fitness

 

[RaddishPork]

this is bullshit, many many many pro guys were either fat guys or skinny guys hard gainers. took nick walker 10 years to built up to where he is now. look up his transfomation. from what i've concluded to for my own path: sticking to whatever works and keep doing it on a sustainable path is the way to go. you'll never know until you have become it. unless you're jack fitness

You just proved my point exactly. A lot of those pro guys already had a shit ton of mass hence why they were fat. They were already holding size just poor diets and lifestyle.

And Nick Walker is probably the most extreme case of hyper responders we have ever seen.

Now let's list all of the olympia competitors who were already in amazing shape by age 25.... See which list is longer...

Are you really trying to tell this 175lb kid that he might have mass monster genetics? When he already has cycles under his belt... He won't know until he keeps trying? Get real bro. You're dishing out garbage advice and logic. Bringing up Nick Walker as if he's not .0001% of the population.

 

[mrsloppyboo]

theres no recipe for speeding things up. it'll only get slower the bigger you get. idk how u managed to stay on roids for 1 year and be below 80kg but u are probably doing something wrong.

Well I started at 175lbs 18% bf (to fat I know) and now I’m 175lbs 10% bf so I don’t think 14lbs of lean mass in my first year is all that bad. I basically wasted years of natty training due to low test

 

[brutalbuilt]

damn so you're 2 cycles away from being mr olympia?

hopefully 2 cycles away from getting a sponsor so i can quit my fucking job and bodybuild full time

 

[brutalbuilt]

Feeling like shit is definitely not part of the game, just something people convince themselves is necessary. I could see an argument for feeling like shit during contest prep but you shouldn’t be taking so much shit that you’d feel bad on a bulk.

yeah i heard when you first hit a new high bodyweight its tough but overtime it gets better... thats what i heard nick walker say in podcast when he was growing

 

[dinfar1337]

You just proved my point exactly. A lot of those pro guys already had a shit ton of mass hence why they were fat. They were already holding size just poor diets and lifestyle.

And Nick Walker is probably the most extreme case of hyper responders we have ever seen.

Now let's list all of the olympia competitors who were already in amazing shape by age 25.... See which list is longer...

Are you really trying to tell this 175lb kid that he might have mass monster genetics? When he already has cycles under his belt... He won't know until he keeps trying? Get real bro. You're dishing out garbage advice and logic. Bringing up Nick Walker as if he's not .0001% of the population.

idk if you're trolling or see yourself being serious writing something like "they were fat they were already holding size".

175lb kid 175lb isnt his limit, his diet is the poor one, his training is the poor one.
get to 200 lbs, can he keep growing? yes
get to 225 can he keep growing? yes
get to 250 lbs can he keep growing? who knows
you wont know if u have the genetics if u never got there.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Feeling like shit is definitely not part of the game, just something people convince themselves is necessary. I could see an argument for feeling like shit during contest prep but you shouldn’t be taking so much shit that you’d feel bad on a bulk.

Disagree wholeheartedly. But just my .02.

I’ll venture a guess that most people who say this have never been true bodybuilding big. Maybe you are, but you’d be an anomaly by the people I converse with.

Prep is cake. Aside from the last 2/3 weeks I feel incredible. But every next 10lbs in an offseason is miserable all over again. Once you’re in the 40+ lbs per foot of height area being offseason heavy is terrible. Hitting 210 for the first time sucked. So did 220 and 230. Being those weights again the next time is easier but at some point you’re across the threshold of being able to feel “good” when you’re eating a fuck ton and heavy.

 

[The Answ3r]

I’ve been training 4 years natty. Little over 1 year enhanced now. First cycle was 500-750 test 24 weeks. Amazing gains. I’ve played with tren a little. Makes me depressed when I get off. Second cycle 750 test 600 deca (didn’t want to add DHT due to wanting to know exactly what sides are from). Great in terms of size and strength just got lethargic from Deca and my penis struggled to work at the end. Stats are 175lbs 10% bf 5’8. My entire life is centered around bodybuilding. Diet and training are dialed in. My dream is to compete at the highest level possible and I’ll do anything to get there. Anyways I’m here bc I need help with a third cycle and I’m sick of being told my redditors that all I need is 500test 400mast to reach mass monster size. I want to add some serious tissue. I know it will take a long time. My current plan next cycle is 1.25g test 1g primo. Working up to 10iu HGH and I also have Lantus insulin. Any advice from experienced users is appreciated.

I’m not usually the guy to give advice on chasing pro-level bodybuilding - hell, I’m not even sure I’m qualified to. But reading your message, one thing is crystal clear: you’re chasing the top, and you’re ready to go all in to get there. If that’s truly the goal, then here’s the real talk - get yourself a coach.

Not just someone to write a cycle, but a proper bodybuilding coach who knows how to guide you through everything - training, food, compounds, timing, bloodwork, stage prep, off-season, everything. You’ll save yourself years of guessing and spinning your wheels, and probably a lot of money too by avoiding the usual mistakes.

If you’re serious about stepping on stage and pushing this as far as it can go - don’t waste time doing it solo. Hire a coach, trust the process, and go all in. The progress you’ll make with the right person guiding you? Night and day difference. And in this sport, time is your most valuable currency - spend it wisely.

 

[DugPrime]

You must have a perfect diet, with no more than 2-3g of sodium a day.

- 25mg of MK-677 twice a day (50mg a day)

- 0.55mg of CJC-1295 with DAC (3.85mg a week)

- 10-30iu of Lantus a day (it's more about having a perfect fasted BG during the whole cycle, I don't care about insulin resistance as I'll follow with a cut on tirzepatide.)

- 10-15iu of Humalog a day (divided in two doses, pre and post workout)

- 250mg of Test E a day (1.75g a week)

- 50-150mg of Spironolactone twice a day (reduce extreme bloat from MK-677, you'll feel better, it's worth it.)

With that cycle, you must be able to build a very big amount of lean mass, strength, and it comes with a great cosmetic aspect (veins, fullness) and if your diet is on point, with spironolactone you'll maintain abs very easily, and this day long.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

- 50-150mg of Spironolactone twice a day (reduce extreme bloat from MK-677, you'll feel better, it's worth it.)

I mean this as a genuine question because you may very well know something I don't - But why would you take an antiandrogen that's generally avoided in men as a diuretic? Why not take one of the many other options to reduce extreme bloat that isn't an antiandrogen.

The official prescribed doses for men transitioning to become women is 100-300mg/day orally, either once a day or divided into two doses. Am I missing something?

 

[Anonymous member 154437]

You must have a perfect diet, with no more than 2-3g of sodium a day.

- 25mg of MK-677 twice a day (50mg a day)

- 0.55mg of CJC-1295 with DAC (3.85mg a week)

- 10-30iu of Lantus a day (it's more about having a perfect fasted BG during the whole cycle, I don't care about insulin resistance as I'll follow with a cut on tirzepatide.)

- 10-15iu of Humalog a day (divided in two doses, pre and post workout)

- 250mg of Test E a day (1.75g a week)

- 50-150mg of Spironolactone twice a day (reduce extreme bloat from MK-677, you'll feel better, it's worth it.)

With that cycle, you must be able to build a very big amount of lean mass, strength, and it comes with a great cosmetic aspect (veins, fullness) and if your diet is on point, with spironolactone you'll maintain abs very easily, and this day long.

This guy is 175 pounds. He does not need insulin or 2 grams of test

 

[Anonymous member 154437]

I mean this as a genuine question because you may very well know something I don't - But why would you take an antiandrogen that's generally avoided in men as a diuretic? Why not take one of the many other options to reduce extreme bloat that isn't an antiandrogen.

The official prescribed doses for men transitioning to become women is 100-300mg/day orally, either once a day or divided into two doses. Am I missing something?

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He’s just giving him terrible advice. 2g test + slin to grow at 175 pounds is insanity

 

[Mac11wildcat]

You must have a perfect diet, with no more than 2-3g of sodium a day.

- 25mg of MK-677 twice a day (50mg a day)

- 0.55mg of CJC-1295 with DAC (3.85mg a week)

- 10-30iu of Lantus a day (it's more about having a perfect fasted BG during the whole cycle, I don't care about insulin resistance as I'll follow with a cut on tirzepatide.)

- 10-15iu of Humalog a day (divided in two doses, pre and post workout)

- 250mg of Test E a day (1.75g a week)

- 50-150mg of Spironolactone twice a day (reduce extreme bloat from MK-677, you'll feel better, it's worth it.)

With that cycle, you must be able to build a very big amount of lean mass, strength, and it comes with a great cosmetic aspect (veins, fullness) and if your diet is on point, with spironolactone you'll maintain abs very easily, and this day long.

 

[Slowww]

I have your mass monster cycle.
I’ve heard this is what the pros use


10 years consistent training (bare minimum)
99% adherence to diet (maybe 1 cheat meal a week)
Good training splits for the entirety of a decade & no taking it easy
Good health, good genetics, blood work regularly
coaching on a long term basis
Maybe it won’t happen anyways

 

[DugPrime]

I mean this as a genuine question because you may very well know something I don't - But why would you take an antiandrogen that's generally avoided in men as a diuretic? Why not take one of the many other options to reduce extreme bloat that isn't an antiandrogen.

The official prescribed doses for men transitioning to become women is 100-300mg/day orally, either once a day or divided into two doses. Am I missing something?

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Oh yeah, it has anti-androgenic effect, that's really positive for our hair, I found it to be great in addition to dutasteride. Spironolactone is a potassium-sparing diuretic as well, it reduces aldosterone.