Why does TNE feel this way but not Test Prop?

[ComancheChief]

Something I noticed with TNE whenever I crash my estrogen is I feel instantly better. I get full body pumps, mood improves and progress is seen within days when it comes to not only strength but body composition.
Overall I just feel great not super euphoric but just at peace and content.

Whereas test prop, despite being a short ester I feel none of that even if I were to inject a large dose like 200-300mg days in a row I still feel like shit and low e2 symptoms actually seem WORSE. It feels like test prop takes almost as long as test e to fully experience the benefits even though it’s dose reaches full saturation in a week.

But TNE? I get all the benefits of testosterone within a single day and if I use it consistently it’s like the body composition and strength results rapidly accumulate so it’s not just temporary.

It can’t be just total test as I can reach high total T from test prop or test e within a day. Is it the rapid aromatization ?

 

[knucklesamich]

Interesting. What's crashing your estrogen? There's some folks here that have a good amount of experience with TNE. Someone might chime in on it.

 

[cmK9s33]

Something I noticed with TNE whenever I crash my estrogen is I feel instantly better. I get full body pumps, mood improves and progress is seen within days when it comes to not only strength but body composition.
Overall I just feel great not super euphoric but just at peace and content.

Whereas test prop, despite being a short ester I feel none of that even if I were to inject a large dose like 200-300mg days in a row I still feel like shit and low e2 symptoms actually seem WORSE. It feels like test prop takes almost as long as test e to fully experience the benefits even though it’s dose reaches full saturation in a week.

But TNE? I get all the benefits of testosterone within a single day and if I use it consistently it’s like the body composition and strength results rapidly accumulate so it’s not just temporary.

It can’t be just total test as I can reach high total T from test prop or test e within a day. Is it the rapid aromatization ?

There’s probably less aromatization from the shorter acting versions than the long ones. There’s documented evidence of less water retention from suspension than prop or enanthate. But there are other mechanisms besides estrogen that contribute to water retention.

I’m speculating here but I suppose you feel better because tne puts your test levels through the roof immediately, but only for about 5-6 hours. A fair number of people subjectively feel better with more of a peak and trough than steady state levels. No idea of how many people. It’s practically impossible to put an accurate number to that. I’m definitely not saying this is the definitive answer but from what you’ve written, that’s the best hypothesis I have.

 

[ComancheChief]

There’s probably less aromatization from the shorter acting versions than the long ones. There’s documented evidence of less water retention from suspension than prop or enanthate. But there are other mechanisms besides estrogen that contribute to water retention.

I’m speculating here but I suppose you feel better because tne puts your test levels through the roof immediately, but only for about 5-6 hours. A fair number of people subjectively feel better with more of a peak and trough than steady state levels. No idea of how many people. It’s practically impossible to put an accurate number to that. I’m definitely not saying this is the definitive answer but from what you’ve written, that’s the best hypothesis I have.

Yeah it’s a good feeling of just calmness and well being so I thought perhaps it’s the immediate aromatization but @Type-IIx posted an article showing less e2 conversion with suspension and TNE

 

[SBD1]

HCG and Dbol always do the trick for me if it drops too low with a cc of prop thrown on top

 

[BigDadd7]

In for @Ghoul to give us the ChatGPT explanation

 

[ComancheChief]

In for @Ghoul to give us the ChatGPT explanation

Oh please do not summon him here lol

 

[Ghoul]

In for @Ghoul to give us the ChatGPT explanation

I'm in my mid to late fifties.. I never made it to tranny porn...

Well grandpa, if your flip phone has a camera, you can shoot your own with the Village People Indian impersonator @ComancheChief. He's even got breast implants.

 

[BigDadd7]

Well grandpa, if your flip phone has a camera, you can shoot your own with the Village People Indian impersonator @ComancheChief. He's even got breast implants.

That does sound kind of hot, but it also sounds like a lot of work. Can you just post up the info instead?

 

[ComancheChief]

Here we go…

 

[Ghoul]

That does sound kind of hot, but it also sounds like a lot of work. Can you just post up the info instead?

Geezus man you were so cool about this you actually motivated me to go to work on this interesting question.

Unfortunately chat GPT couldn't help.

My guess (totally a guess):

We know aromatase production is increased by higher e2.

With e2 levels in the toilet, aromatase is very low.

@ComancheChief looks pretty lean, so he doesn't have a big reserve of aromatase in fat.

TNE aromatizes immediately with what little aromatase is available.

E2 rises, increasing aromatase, raising e2 even faster, increasing aromatase, and so on.

So even though it's just a short ester, TNE is maxing out aromatization before Test prop even gets out of bed.

As for why it gets worse with prop, if it does, since both aromatase and esterase enzymes operate in the same tissues, the production and/or activity of one could slow the other. In other words, while esterase is busy cleaving the tails off prop, the production of the desperately needed aromatase that's in short supply might be suppressed delaying aromatization even longer.

But like I said, this is a complete guess based on what I know about how these enzymes work.