288 is high. About 100 Ferritin is perfect. You dont need to suppliment.
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Procyclist
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Ok, thank you! I will watch the ferritin levels about a week after starting with the epo, and I’ll be taking b12 and folic acid too.
I don't know much about epo. Your body uses iron and copper at the same time to produce blood cells though. It may be worth supplementing copper also.
Procyclist
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I know that when you start injecting EPO, it's normal for iron levels to drop significantly, which is why you need to supplement with iron during the cycle. What I didn't know is what ferritin level would be appropriate to have before starting. I hadn't heard anything about copper, but I'll look into it. Thanks!
People that manage high iron levels are told 50-100 ferritin is a good target. For example, giving a pint of blood will drop your ferritin 40-50. I think you're more than high enough to not require iron supplementation.
Drop back in after your epo cycle and let us know if you get iron tested again. Id be very interested to hear how much it drops.
Don't have an answer for your ferritin question but interested in how you are sourcing online. Am also looking to start a cycle within the next month or two but have not yet found a trustworthy source.
New to the forum and not sure what the etiquette is around asking for sources but would be interested in any info
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bossetti
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It depends if u want pharma or ugl
Ugl there is sigma audley for example idk if its good or not lol
But before using epo do ur research or otherwise dont do it, its powerfull but also dangerous if used in a stupid way
If i was in u i would research a bit more, u said in a past message to source it from a research compounds seller and thats not really the norm lol
But im not attacking, u i also arrived in this forum by asking the source for epo lol,but what happened is that i wasnt really informed enough so please do ur research
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Procyclist
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Hi, I think its not allowed to talk about sources outside the steroid underground subforum. But I found my source quite easy using the search engine.
bossetti
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Did you ever start said cycle? I am very interested in getting some firsthand information on EPO. I have done a ton of research but it seems super sketchy in that you need to monitor your hemoglobin/hermatocrit like weekly so you dont get a clot. I am not sure if the sketchiness factor has been blown out of proportion because of the abuse of the stuff in endurance sports or not. Would love to here from someone who has a firsthand account of using it.
Photon
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Sigma audley i think is the safest bet btw
EPO needs to be stored at a specific temperature..might be best to order in winter. Regardless of domestic or intl source, hopefully it survives the delivery.
bossetti
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Sigma audley send it not constituted so should easily survive, btw i think peptides should resist even when constituted but idkEPO needs to be stored at a specific temperature..might be best to order in winter. Regardless of domestic or intl source, hopefully it survives the delivery.
bossetti
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Because it is sketchy its not a sweet, people died while using it and i guarantee that when on news you hear an heart attack from a young endurance athlete its probably bad epo managment, so if u want to use it first you should have a reason to and then be as safe as possible
People have vastly different levels of base line hematocrit. There are also huge differences in response to AAS. If you have a low baseline, and can pay for testing to see how you react, I dont see it to be very dangerous.
This is just my thought as ive never used EPO. My base hematocrit is close to 50, so ill probably never use it. If I was under 45, I'd definitely experiment low dose.
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You're welcome. Im super bored this Sunday so I looked up a few studies. I didn't realize its a common drug for people with kidney and heart disease.
The effect of epoetin dose on hematocrit - PubMed
Nearly all dialysis patients receive epoetin therapy to treat anemia. Using the United States Renal Data System, we monitored the 14,001 patients aged 65 and older who started dialysis and epoetin treatment in 2003-2004. We estimated the dose-response relationship for the average epoetin dose...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Subcutaneous compared with intravenous epoetin in patients receiving hemodialysis. Department of Veterans Affairs Cooperative Study Group on Erythropoietin in Hemodialysis Patients - PubMed
In patients receiving hemodialysis, subcutaneous administration of epoetin can maintain the hematocrit in a desired target range, with an average weekly dose of epoetin that is lower than with intravenous administration.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
A comparison between once-weekly and twice- or thrice-weekly subcutaneous injection of epoetin alfa: results from a randomized controlled multicentre study - PubMed
This study demonstrates that once-weekly SC administration of epoetin alfa is as effective and safe as two or three times weekly administration in maintaining haemoglobin levels. Therefore, the once-weekly therapy using high dose of epoetin alfa is considered to be an efficient method in stable...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I'd take these with a grain of salt. All the studies are on people slowly dying. I don't pretend to know how it translates to healthy people.
Procyclist
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My hematocrit was 43.2 last week, before any EPO injection. I will start with 6000 iu per week and will monitor hematocrit on the 10th day, and adjust from there.
bossetti
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Yes please update. Are you taking any supplements like iron, B12 or aspirin to keep blood more viscous? Also do you know what would be considered safe parameters for your hemoglobin levels? Personally I want to keep my hematocrit not much higher than around 50ish mark to be safe.
