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[dick_starbuck]

Most of the Chinese UGL sources here probably have EO or some sort of cross product contamination in their products (they do not produce, they simply buy from the same factory and resell), They are so cheap so expectations are much lower.

Now when a source charges a premium..and claims they dont use it then gets caught..

If i didn't know otherwise, I would have assumed the GCMS was from a Chinese ugl source..cross contamination of tect c/e with eo in.. a 250mg/ml tect c vial..

It's wild to me about the hysteria about EO. When I first started using gear I would buy this brand named "Endosyn". They were aclaimed far and wide for having the best gear around BECAUSE it was EO based.

Thinnest gear I've ever used with no pip whatsoever.

 

[BamaCrazy]

It's wild to me about the hysteria about EO. When I first started using gear I would buy this brand named "Endosyn". They were aclaimed far and wide for having the best gear around BECAUSE it was EO based.

Thinnest gear I've ever used with no pip whatsoever.

So many people use EO and guaiacol in the same sentence when asking a source if they use either or both, that some people have come to think the risks are the same. EO is not toxic and I’d bet only a very small percentage of people have an allergic reaction to it. It does keep it thinner and in solution.

Hell, I don’t even mind a small amount of guaiacol in injectable orals. But that’s just me.

 

[Photon]

It's wild to me about the hysteria about EO. When I first started using gear I would buy this brand named "Endosyn". They were aclaimed far and wide for having the best gear around BECAUSE it was EO based.

Thinnest gear I've ever used with no pip whatsoever.

So many people use EO and guaiacol in the same sentence when asking a source if they use either or both, that some people have come to think the risks are the same. EO is not toxic and I’d bet only a very small percentage of people have an allergic reaction to it. It does keep it thinner and in solution.

Hell, I don’t even mind a small amount of guaiacol in injectable orals. But that’s just me.

Its not about EO but the fact he lied about it.

That vial has ~280mg (250-260 TestC + 5-15 TestE) of test in it with ~13% BB. Either way it was going to crash, winter or not. It was a failed batch. Instead of fixing it, he added EO then lied that his products had no EO till caught. When caught he said it was due to "winter" but it was clearly winter when he posted on the forums stating he did not use EO.

There's also cross contamination issues. This time its Tect C/E. What if it was Tren/Deca/EQ contamination for someone planning to PCT? Or some other contamination? Would you be comfortable knowing that 5% of whats in the vial is some other mysterious steroid compound? If this vial is contaminated, what about the other vials? As mentioned, he brews and sells.

Now that it's April, is he still planning to sell the same cross contaminated vial and continue replying that he doesn't use EO?

 

[DevonPharmacy]

Its not about EO but the fact he lied about it.

That vial has ~280mg (250-260 TestC + 5-15 TestE) of test in it with ~13% BB. Either way it was going to crash, winter or not. It was a failed batch. Instead of fixing it, he added EO then lied that his products had no EO till caught. When caught he said it was due to "winter" but it was clearly winter when he posted on the forums stating he did not use EO.

There's also cross contamination issues. This time its Tect C/E. What if it was Tren/Deca/EQ contamination for someone planning to PCT? Or some other contamination? Would you be comfortable knowing that 5% of whats in the vial is some other mysterious steroid compound? If this vial is contaminated, what about the other vials? As mentioned, he brews and sells.

Now that it's April, is he still planning to sell the same cross contaminated vial and continue replying that he doesn't use EO?

Bro, I’ve explained the same thing to you three times already, but your goal clearly isn’t to understand — it’s just to spam. I’d rather use 1% EO, which is completely harmless, than deal with Test C crashing. I’ll be doing the same next winter too.

Within a month, when this batch is completely sold out (batch started almost end of February), I will share raw material test results first, followed by the other tests for the new batch. The product you mentioned came back at 254mg Test C according to the HPLC test.

 

[DevonPharmacy]

!!IMPORTANT!!

IN THE LAST TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE BATCH, STARTING FROM THE END OF FEBRUARY, EO (ETHYL OLEATE), WHICH IS A COMPLETELY HARMLESS OIL, WAS USED TO PREVENT CRASHING — AND THIS IS QUITE COMMON. CUSTOMERS WHO ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS ARE KINDLY ADVISED TO PURCHASE TEST E FROM US DURING THE WINTER MONTHS INSTEAD. BECAUSE MOVING FORWARD, WE WILL CONTINUE TO USE EO IN TEST C DURING THE WINTER.

 

[dick_starbuck]

Its not about EO but the fact he lied about it.

That vial has ~280mg (250-260 TestC + 5-15 TestE) of test in it with ~13% BB. Either way it was going to crash, winter or not. It was a failed batch. Instead of fixing it, he added EO then lied that his products had no EO till caught. When caught he said it was due to "winter" but it was clearly winter when he posted on the forums stating he did not use EO.

There's also cross contamination issues. This time its Tect C/E. What if it was Tren/Deca/EQ contamination for someone planning to PCT? Or some other contamination? Would you be comfortable knowing that 5% of whats in the vial is some other mysterious steroid compound? If this vial is contaminated, what about the other vials? As mentioned, he brews and sells.

Now that it's April, is he still planning to sell the same cross contaminated vial and continue replying that he doesn't use EO?

If you go back and read my previous posts, I've said multiple times that the only issue here is Devon didn't publicly announce he started EO in the product.

If you also go back you will read dozens of posts about people complaining about crashed gear asking "if it's still good" or if crashing somehow has lost potency etc. There are alot of.... new users... who don't understand what crashing is or how prone to crashing test cyp is. There are also alot of new users who are under the legitimate impression that EO is somehow toxic for them.

I understand why he started using EO. It's one less thing to hear about, crashed gear.

I also understand why he WOULDNT mention it. Why? Because people are legitimately buttmad about sources using EO in their gear for whatever reason. Unless you're allergic to EO, chances are the PEDs your putting in your body are doing more damage to you than the EO.

What he SHOULD have done is say "Hey guys, PSA: my gear is crashing hard this winter so I'm adding EO. If you don't want to use EO I'll make a batch without. Specify if you want it but beware it will probably crash in the mail." Or something along those lines.

 

[DevonPharmacy]

FYI; What is Ethyl Oleate Chatgpt results;

Ethyl Oleate is a clear, odorless, low-viscosity oil ester that is naturally derived from vegetable oils. It’s commonly used in the pharmaceutical industry as a solvent, especially in the preparation of oil-based injectable medications.

Why is it used in steroid production?

• It creates a thinner (more fluid) solution, making injections easier.
• It can reduce PIP (post-injection pain).
• It helps prevent the steroid from crashing, especially during cold weather.

When used in proper amounts, it is considered harmless to the body, which is why it is widely used by many underground labs.

 

[Photon]

Bro, I’ve explained the same thing to you three times already, but your goal clearly isn’t to understand — it’s just to spam. I’d rather use 1% EO, which is completely harmless, than deal with Test C crashing. I’ll be doing the same next winter too.

I have no issues with that, I'm not the one brewing.
All I said was that your product was bound to crash and you decided to keep quiet about it and use EO. Please add to your price-list that you have EO in your products.

The product you mentioned came back at 254mg Test C according to the HPLC test.

Janoshik Analytical

GCMS --
26.36% TC
1.22% TE
1.39% Ethyl Oleate

95% TC 5% TE.

You mentioned you are reaching out to Jano for clarification.
What has Jano said?

Which other products are contaminated?

 

[Photon]

FYI; What is Ethyl Oleate Chatgpt results;

Ethyl Oleate is a clear, odorless, low-viscosity oil ester that is naturally derived from vegetable oils. It’s commonly used in the pharmaceutical industry as a solvent, especially in the preparation of oil-based injectable medications.

Why is it used in steroid production?

• It creates a thinner (more fluid) solution, making injections easier.
• It can reduce PIP (post-injection pain).
• It helps prevent the steroid from crashing, especially during cold weather.

When used in proper amounts, it is considered harmless to the body, which is why it is widely used by many underground labs.

Looks like a good reason to add it.
Have you considered adding to all products?
Please make sure it is communicated.

 

[DevonPharmacy]

Looks like a good reason to add it.
Have you considered adding to all products?
Please make sure it is communicated.

We added only test c for crashed issues

 

[Photon]

If you go back and read my previous posts, I've said multiple times that the only issue here is Devon didn't publicly announce he started EO in the product.

If you also go back you will read dozens of posts about people complaining about crashed gear asking "if it's still good" or if crashing somehow has lost potency etc. There are alot of.... new users... who don't understand what crashing is or how prone to crashing test cyp is. There are also alot of new users who are under the legitimate impression that EO is somehow toxic for them.

I understand why he started using EO. It's one less thing to hear about, crashed gear.

I also understand why he WOULDNT mention it. Why? Because people are legitimately buttmad about sources using EO in their gear for whatever reason. Unless you're allergic to EO, chances are the PEDs your putting in your body are doing more damage to you than the EO.

What he SHOULD have done is say "Hey guys, PSA: my gear is crashing hard this winter so I'm adding EO. If you don't want to use EO I'll make a batch without. Specify if you want it but beware it will probably crash in the mail." Or something along those lines.

He could have just re-balanced it using more BB.

 

[DevonPharmacy]

He could have just re-balanced it using more BB.

Thank you for your kind advice.
I’m currently waiting to hear back from Janoshik and my raw supplier — as soon as I receive any updates regarding the matter you’re curious about, you’ll be the first to know.

 

[MuscularMD]

Its not about EO but the fact he lied about it.

That vial has ~280mg (250-260 TestC + 5-15 TestE) of test in it with ~13% BB. Either way it was going to crash, winter or not. It was a failed batch. Instead of fixing it, he added EO then lied that his products had no EO till caught. When caught he said it was due to "winter" but it was clearly winter when he posted on the forums stating he did not use EO.

There's also cross contamination issues. This time its Tect C/E. What if it was Tren/Deca/EQ contamination for someone planning to PCT? Or some other contamination? Would you be comfortable knowing that 5% of whats in the vial is some other mysterious steroid compound? If this vial is contaminated, what about the other vials? As mentioned, he brews and sells.

Now that it's April, is he still planning to sell the same cross contaminated vial and continue replying that he doesn't use EO?

All this has led me to believe that I should do GCMS testing on my oils. Regular ID and mass from Jano didn’t catch the test E.

I ordered some Primo from SSA (Devon was out of stock). Will definitely do GCMS.

 

[Photon]

All this has led me to believe that I should do GCMS testing on my oils. Regular ID and mass from Jano didn’t catch the test E.

I ordered some Primo from SSA (Devon was out of stock). Will definitely do GCMS.

SSA doesnt brew....they just resell what they buy elsewhere. They do reimburse testing tho.

 

[glpfun]

Damn the cross contamination is a big issue if legit , if it was caught on a random GCMS high probability it’s a widespread issue and impacting other compounds

 

[MuscularMD]

I did the GCMS because Jano said a lot of raws are bunk recently and they’re probably being cut with other stuff and the only way to detect is by GCMS. For me, test E in my C is ok. But if it were something else…

Damn the cross contamination is a big issue if legit , if it was caught on a random GCMS high probability it’s a widespread issue and impacting other compoundsI

 

[DevonPharmacy]

Damn the cross contamination is a big issue if legit , if it was caught on a random GCMS high probability it’s a widespread issue and impacting other compounds

This is out of the question, sir. I will have the necessary tests done.

 

[RedXXSouth]

Is everything stocked up currently? Having some PIP issues with another one need to shift to Test Cyp 250.

 

[FastBun]

Its not about EO but the fact he lied about it.

That vial has ~280mg (250-260 TestC + 5-15 TestE) of test in it with ~13% BB. Either way it was going to crash, winter or not. It was a failed batch. Instead of fixing it, he added EO then lied that his products had no EO till caught. When caught he said it was due to "winter" but it was clearly winter when he posted on the forums stating he did not use EO.

There's also cross contamination issues. This time its Tect C/E. What if it was Tren/Deca/EQ contamination for someone planning to PCT? Or some other contamination? Would you be comfortable knowing that 5% of whats in the vial is some other mysterious steroid compound? If this vial is contaminated, what about the other vials? As mentioned, he brews and sells.

Now that it's April, is he still planning to sell the same cross contaminated vial and continue replying that he doesn't use EO?

What a ding dong… 13% BB lmao… no wonder all the test cyp is crashed… but he is a “PROFESSIONAL” brewer…

 

[FastBun]

Thank you for your kind advice.
I’m currently waiting to hear back from Janoshik and my raw supplier — as soon as I receive any updates regarding the matter you’re curious about, you’ll be the first to know.

Stop blaming your raw supplier… tons of sources… none have had issues with cross contamination besides you and axle… maybe more experienced brewers than you can chime in… @Sampei @narta @Dirthand have you guys noticed cross contamination from raws before?? In other words the factory manufacturing the raws fault???