Advise about SERMS

[Proud Pangolin]

Hey guys so after my cycle end last summer i did 8weeks of PCT with 25mg of Enclomiphene, however my bloodwork came back and seems like it didnt work well.

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Now i want to do another PCT.
I would have chosen Nova (Tamoxifen) but i get nasty sides from it (to be more specific it neutralizes the effects of my adhd meds due to interaction with the dopamine system).

And as Enclomiphene didnt work well, my hope lays on Toremifen (60mg).
.


Now, i was thinking about throwing some Enclomiphene in it aswell. Simply because if i understood correctly they work through different routes:

-Enclomiphene ensures my hypothalamus releases enough GnRH signals

-Tamoxifen and therefore i guess Toremifene aswell only mainly act at the pituitary? Making it somewhat more sensitive to GnRH?

Is this more or less correct?
.


So it may be beneficial to add 25mg Enclomiphene to the 60mg Torem, or what do you think?

As i didnt had any sides at all with 25 Enclomiphene, i could also double the dosages, meaning 60mg Torem and 50mg Enclo.

At least for Torem i know that doubling the dose wont achieve better results, but maybe for Enclomiphene as Clomid is also often used at dosages of 100,150mg which translates to 50,75mg Enclomiphene.

Or would this be unnecessary?

The number one priority here is restoring my LH and therefore testosterone.

However i have to admid that 50mg of Enclo on top of the torem is damm expensive and of course the risks of sideeffects gets larger.


Or maybe i should use normal clomid? I mean from what i read the additional isomer (zuclomiphene) is actually counterproductive for this matter?


So what is your advise?







bloodwork:



Be aware that these are the normal ranges of my lab and for some reasons they tend to differ sign. From source to source)

•Total Testosterone: 285 ng/dL (Normal: 240–870 ng/dL)

•Free Testosterone: 15.4 pg/mL (Normal: 7–22.7 pg/mL)

•SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin): 1.43 mg/L (Normal: 1.62–7.37 mg/L


•LH (Luteinizing Hormone): 2.4 mIU/mL (Normal: 0.6–12.1 mIU/mL)

•FSH (Follicle-Stimulating Hormone): 1.94 mIU/mL (Normal: 0.95–11.95 mIU/mL)

 

[SBD1]

i never in my life seen bodybuilder who has done pct ,, EVER! that should tell you soething,, never in my life! did i see bodybuild who competed with me who done pct,, there is no need for no pct its balonie its made up balonie ,, we never fuckin get off WE ARE ADDICTS!


gh15 approved

 

[ThinBulk]

Hey guys so after my cycle end last summer i did 8weeks of PCT with 25mg of Enclomiphene, however my bloodwork came back and seems like it didnt work well.

(


Now i want to do another PCT.
I would have chosen Nova (Tamoxifen) but i get nasty sides from it (to be more specific it neutralizes the effects of my adhd meds due to interaction with the dopamine system).

And as Enclomiphene didnt work well, my hope lays on Toremifen (60mg).
.


Now, i was thinking about throwing some Enclomiphene in it aswell. Simply because if i understood correctly they work through different routes:

-Enclomiphene ensures my hypothalamus releases enough GnRH signals

-Tamoxifen and therefore i guess Toremifene aswell only mainly act at the pituitary? Making it somewhat more sensitive to GnRH?

Is this more or less correct?
.


So it may be beneficial to add 25mg Enclomiphene to the 60mg Torem, or what do you think?

As i didnt had any sides at all with 25 Enclomiphene, i could also double the dosages, meaning 60mg Torem and 50mg Enclo.

At least for Torem i know that doubling the dose wont achieve better results, but maybe for Enclomiphene as Clomid is also often used at dosages of 100,150mg which translates to 50,75mg Enclomiphene.

Or would this be unnecessary?

The number one priority here is restoring my LH and therefore testosterone.

However i have to admid that 50mg of Enclo on top of the torem is damm expensive and of course the risks of sideeffects gets larger.


Or maybe i should use normal clomid? I mean from what i read the additional isomer (zuclomiphene) is actually counterproductive for this matter?


So what is your advise?







bloodwork:



Be aware that these are the normal ranges of my lab and for some reasons they tend to differ sign. From source to source)

•Total Testosterone: 285 ng/dL (Normal: 240–870 ng/dL)

•Free Testosterone: 15.4 pg/mL (Normal: 7–22.7 pg/mL)

•SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin): 1.43 mg/L (Normal: 1.62–7.37 mg/L


•LH (Luteinizing Hormone): 2.4 mIU/mL (Normal: 0.6–12.1 mIU/mL)

•FSH (Follicle-Stimulating Hormone): 1.94 mIU/mL (Normal: 0.95–11.95 mIU/mL)

I'm inclined to say your pct was fake. I would buy from a different source and do it again.

 

[Proud Pangolin]

I'm inclined to say your pct was fake. I would buy from a different source and do it again.

I bought some Torem, hopefully this is real and will work

 

[Sammy_Jenkis]

I would recommend just cruising. You don’t even have to do an actual cruise dose, you could simply drop the test to TRT levels and not have to ever worry about the PCT again. You would keep more of your gains between cycles as well. Is there a reason you don’t want to go TRT or cruise?

 

[Proud Pangolin]

I would recommend just cruising. You don’t even have to do an actual cruise dose, you could simply drop the test to TRT levels and not have to ever worry about the PCT again. You would keep more of your gains between cycles as well. Is there a reason you don’t want to go TRT or cruise?

Well yes, simply put: fertility. Im 23 so deciding to be the rest of my live on TRT ismt something i should take easy. Most important though is, that I want kids and well if my LH and FSH already are low, how are they going to be on TRT

 

[Jeffholio5]

have you considered hcg?

 

[oldmanwilliams]

What you are thinking about is totally overkill. Get some real Enclomiphene or clomid and take the standard dose of either and perhaps take it longer than 8 weeks for insurance. Taking more than that could be counter productive. It either works or it doesn't.