xrayphoton13
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I forgot about this guy. I haven't watched his stuff in a while but he seems pretty honest. I would not want to see that only fans. His wife has definitely been on the gear too
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Anabolic Steroids
Using estradiol injection to allow for low test cycles
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xrayphoton13
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Sampei, if you wanted to do a test run of 500mg test with 1.5g EQ without exogenous estradiol you can always run it with dbol. Won't be exactly the same for obvious reasons but perhaps in the ballpark. Don't even need much. I once did a no test cycle with 700 npp, 400 primo so e2 should have been non existent, but even 10mg dbol 2x a day gave me all the classic high e2 symptoms. Easily could have halved it or done only pre-workout on training days only and been fine. Dbol's binding affinity for shbg is also very low so it shouldn't tank shbg like some other orals
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Do you know the mechanism by which Dbol can compensate for low E2? Is it just easily aromatized? If so, can it still help even when somebody has crashed E2 with AIs?
Photon
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I also have an issue with low e2 in general.
Have you considered Trest? (I have never tried)
Trest A (most common)
Trest E (less common)
Trest D (I've only seen 1 source with it..ever)
It might be a good alternative to estradiol.
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So what exactly is your way to combat the lack of neurosteroids? Lowering the 19nors and increasing the test?
bananafeet
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I ran into issues after 7 months on 100-200mg Decca per week. I just came off and lowered my E2 and two weeks later I feel fine again.
I think cabergoline helps but nothing solves it besides stopping the drug...
xrayphoton13
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Yup. It sure can. It aromatizes to methyl estradiol which is a methylated version so not quite the same but it seems to do the same functions. It at least feels the same to me. It's been described in the literature as being a more potent form of estradiol. The biggest issue is that you can't measure it on labs so you really need to learn what high and low e2 feels like and use that as a guide for yourself.
You can read more here: Dianabol Insights: Unique Characteristics of Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids – Part 10
You can also use DHEA to quickly raise crashed e2.
It's an idea but I don't use orals and stay away from all of them plus I do long blast and the idea of using dbol for 20/24 weeks straight is not really appealing xD
Damn this shit is complicated, I knew it was going to be but fuck
Trest is ment right? It's super rare, like I'm not able to find any raw at the moment and can't find anyone selling trest E as I don't like to pin ED as I would have with trest A.
Trest has a lot more side effect compared to test however.. high BP is one of those and many other stuff so I feel a bit like trying to avoid one thing (running very high test) and ending up using something that is it even worse xD
Slowww
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How is 1.5g eq and .5g test healthier ?
Eddie.
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I'd say trest too but i can't speak of it since i haven't tried it. I thought exactly the same as you but using trest instead of estradiol or HCG.
I guess from a more anabolic - less androgenic perspective (?) but in the end i doubt 1gr of eq yields the same results like 1gr of test.
You'd need much, i mean too much of DHEA to compensate and the results will be having a sky-high DHEA serum level.
I guess from a more anabolic - less androgenic perspective (?) but in the end i doubt 1gr of eq yields the same results like 1gr of test.
You'd need much, i mean too much of DHEA to compensate and the results will be having a sky-high DHEA serum level.
Slowww
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Trest definitely will aromatize and is hard to control due to it being methylated estradiol, and is not going to show up on basic hormonal panel.
I can tolerate it up to 150mg per week if I am not too fat, but I always start with 75mg per week because it is very strong and I aromatize heavily. These instances are both basically without sides or excessive water retention, the caveat being body fat cannot be excessive otherwise I turn into a fucking balloon or sponge. I’ve seen some friends blood count values get weird with trest too, and anecdotally it was the same guys who have trouble tolerating EQ. Because I saw this I also checked blood count/platelet values on ment and they were not any different for me.
Honestly with a little ment 75-150mg you don’t need a gram of test or EQ, it’s just that strong.
Personally I can tolerate EQ very well so I don’t consider it dangerous, but many people will 100% have issues with blood count on EQ and this i really can’t see it as in any way safer than more testosterone. Especially in regards to cardiac and kidney health if you are one of those people. Frankly even though I can tolerate it very well, some of my blood platelet values etc are effected (though within range) so I can’t really make an argument that it would be healthier in either case. I still have trouble understanding why being less of an androgenic compound makes it a significantly healthier alternative, if you wouldn’t mind walking me through it
For me EQ doesn't touch my bloods almost at all at 1G a week. My hematocrit is 46%
And 1G of test Is not enough for 1G of EQ for me so all the androgenic effect of 1.5/2G of test on prostate, hair etc is not healthier then if I could keep test at max 1G and use other substances like EQ/primo at higher dosages while keeping a base of test that is not too high
Eddie.
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For me EQ doesn't touch my bloods almost at all at 1G a week. My hematocrit is 46%
And 1G of test Is not enough for 1G of EQ for me so all the androgenic effect of 1.5/2G of test on prostate, hair etc is not healthier then if I could keep test at max 1G and use other substances like EQ/primo at higher dosages while keeping a base of test that is not too high
How’s nandrolone treating you? At these dosages it would be a great if you had let’s say 1000 test, 750 eq, 400-500 nandrolone. No worries on high dht like sides and also increased conversion of e2 which helps mitigate the reduction from eq. Just an idea.. if it fakks with your bp too much then it’s a no no ofc
I run 1G test 1G EQ and 600npp. Great cycle and E2 was still low xD
Had to start using HCG and it was borderline ok, now that I dropped NPP we are back to square one.
Nandrolone gives me no issue at all
Jin23
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For me EQ doesn't touch my bloods almost at all at 1G a week. My hematocrit is 46%
You should commit your self to be disected and studied in a lab. This is quite a feat. Even if you had low iron (and other relevant cofactors) this would have been a low probability outcome. I'm curious about your bloodwork ...
I'll post it later on when I get on my PC.
I don't have low iron, I don't donate blood and I do supplement with iron bisglycinate xD
Photon
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Yes it's Ment,
A is common, there's intl sources for E but only US Dom has D.
PPL used to sell raws for Trest D..but they went out of stock..I've never seen it anywhere else...ever.
It does come with sides tho..high bp like you mentioned..
That's the same for dbol isn't it?
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Ateam2023
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that was a very interesting video,,
