Using estradiol injection to allow for low test cycles

[verylargeshoes]

Trest definitely will aromatize and is hard to control due to it being methylated estradiol, and is not going to show up on basic hormonal panel.

I can tolerate it up to 150mg per week if I am not too fat, but I always start with 75mg per week because it is very strong and I aromatize heavily. These instances are both basically without sides or excessive water retention, the caveat being body fat cannot be excessive otherwise I turn into a fucking balloon or sponge. I’ve seen some friends blood count values get weird with trest too, and anecdotally it was the same guys who have trouble tolerating EQ. Because I saw this I also checked blood count/platelet values on ment and they were not any different for me.

I think I’ve seen 3-4 stories and videos now from people who tried a Trestolone/MENT cycle and gave up because it was too tricky to manage the estrogen. Seems like a powerful compound but hard to get the hang of.

What’s not too excessive a body fat for you when using Trestolone?

 

[Ateam2023]

most people want to "control estrogen" and now there's the issue of adding it? Seems like it could be a slippery "experiment", i would be curious how that played out,,

 

[Sampei]

You should commit your self to be disected and studied in a lab. This is quite a feat. Even if you had low iron (and other relevant cofactors) this would have been a low probability outcome. I'm curious about your bloodwork ...

There you go

 

[Eddie.]

Nice. I have the same values on 1gr of test/eq/npp and 500mg anadrol. Also the same on almost 1gr of test and primo. It's genetic, some guys just hit 52+ with anything above TRT.

 

[Jin23]

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There you go

This is on 1g bold?

Any idea how your iron panel looked at that time? And where your crp was?

You actually have borderline low erythropoiesis. Those are definitely very odd numbers for such a cycle, they look closer to hypogonadism then being on cycle ...

 

[Sampei]

This is on 1g bold?

Any idea how your iron panel looked at that time? And where your crp was?

You actually have borderline low erythropoiesis. Those are definitely very odd numbers for such a cycle, they look closer to hypogonadism then being on cycle ...

this blood have been pulled 2 days ago.
1g of bold 1g of test 400mg masteron

iron don't know but last time i checked ferritin it was
109,00 ng/ml

You can see my CRP on the blood drawn, is great.

You telling me I'm gonna die soon? xD

 

[Jin23]

this blood have been pulled 2 days ago.
1g of bold 1g of test 400mg masteron

iron don't know but last time i checked ferritin it was
109,00 ng/ml

You can see my CRP on the blood drawn, is great.

You telling me I'm gonna die soon? xD

Ah, I missed the crp.

Right, 2.4g's of gear and that's your hematology, interesting ... How are your numbers on lower cycles and trt/cruise?

I'd like to see your iron panel nonetheless though, I suggest you add serum iron, tsat and ferritin to your bloods in the future as iron homeostasis is greatly impacted by androgens. You mentioned you were taking fe3 glycinate right? Have you measured other cofactors like b12, b9, ...?

 

[Sampei]

Ah, I missed the crp.

Right, 2.4g's of gear and that's your hematology, interesting ... How are your numbers on lower cycles and trt/cruise?

I'd like to see your iron panel nonetheless though, I suggest you add serum iron, tsat and ferritin to your bloods in the future as iron homeostasis is greatly impacted by androgens. You mentioned you were taking fe3 glycinate right? Have you measured other cofactors like b12, b9, ...?

i supplements all those vitamins but telling you the truth I haven't checked them, I did check ferritin a few time and it was below 100 so I started supplementing iron glycinate.

I take reta maybe it does impact my absorption of minerals?
I had even 52-53 hematocrit on other cycles or even on a high cruise dose like 300-400mg test.
Gotta say I was very surprised of my hematocrit this time, maybe I drank too much water before the exam?

1 month ago:

3 month ago here I had NPP in the cycle too

 

[xrayphoton13]

Yes it's Ment,
A is common, there's intl sources for E but only US Dom has D.
PPL used to sell raws for Trest D..but they went out of stock..I've never seen it anywhere else...ever.
It does come with sides tho..high bp like you mentioned..



That's the same for dbol isn't it?

Trest and dbol aromatize to different products. Dbol aromatizes to 17a-methylestradiol and MENT to 7a-methylestradiol. 7a-ME is much more potent than 17a-ME.

MENT Insights: Unique Characteristics of Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids – Part 4

Learn about the unique features of MENT, its effects on body, and why MENT is not a commonly used anabolic steroid for bodybuilding purposes.

thinksteroids.com

 

[Photon]

Trest and dbol aromatize to different products. Dbol aromatizes to 17a-methylestradiol and MENT to 7a-methylestradiol. 7a-ME is much more potent than 17a-ME.

MENT Insights: Unique Characteristics of Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids – Part 4

Learn about the unique features of MENT, its effects on body, and why MENT is not a commonly used anabolic steroid for bodybuilding purposes.

thinksteroids.com

And they are similar in that they both do not turn up on hormone panels?

 

[verylargeshoes]

most people want to "control estrogen" and now there's the issue of adding it? Seems like it could be a slippery "experiment", i would be curious how that played out,,

It's too bad there's no way to put an estrogen sensor into an Apple Watch for real-time feedback.

 

[Jin23]

i supplements all those vitamins but telling you the truth I haven't checked them, I did check ferritin a few time and it was below 100 so I started supplementing iron glycinate.

I take reta maybe it does impact my absorption of minerals?
I had even 52-53 hematocrit on other cycles or even on a high cruise dose like 300-400mg test.
Gotta say I was very surprised of my hematocrit this time, maybe I drank too much water before the exam?

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3 month ago here I had NPP in the cycle too
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If you had higher erythropoiesis on lighter androgen loads, then it's clear that what ever it is, it has something to do with the compounds you are currently taking and the state of your current biology. I wouldn't hand this down to "genetics".

I'd like to emphasize that something isn't exactly right and it's worth exploring as it might not be great for your health ...

 

[Photon]

You actually have borderline low erythropoiesis.

Apologies, but which marker is showing this?
Does it not require a erythropoietin test?

 

[xrayphoton13]

And they are similar in that they both do not turn up on hormone panels?

Correct

 

[Sampei]

If you had higher erythropoiesis on lighter androgen loads, then it's clear that what ever it is, it has something to do with the compounds you are currently taking and the state of your current biology. I wouldn't hand this down to "genetics".

I'd like to emphasize that something isn't exactly right and it's worth exploring as it might not be great for your health ...

Yeah but my bloods are great, I did a full panel a month ago and had nothing out of range. Did a full eco abdomen 3 weeks ago, everything is great. I feel great... What can I say... I'll retest in few weeks and see if it stays the same or not, next time I'll not drink any water and see if it was that maybe to skew the whole thing?

It's hard to investigate something that doesn't show any symptoms and it's just one number on a blood panel.

 

[Jin23]

Yeah but my bloods are great, I did a full panel a month ago and had nothing out of range. Did a full eco abdomen 3 weeks ago, everything is great. I feel great... What can I say... I'll retest in few weeks and see if it stays the same or not, next time I'll not drink any water and see if it was that maybe to skew the whole thing?

It's hard to investigate something that doesn't show any symptoms and it's just one number on a blood panel.

Having such low erythropoiesis is somewhat worrisome. The absence of poor general health blood markers doesn't mean there isn't something wrong. This are UGL compounds that you are running nonetheless, so that's why I'd be careful. Something IS wrong, no doubt about that. And as we have no idea about what is actually happening and if there are any potential longer term effects ... well, everybody's health standards vary - I'd quit the reta and reassess if it was me.

 

[Jin23]

Apologies, but which marker is showing this?
Does it not require a erythropoietin test?

Sure, but we have RBC count and relatively low hemoglobin, so I'm just going of off that. But yes, to be 100% exact you can't go just of off CBC, you are correct, one can have normal erythropoiesis and still present with low RBC's: blood loss and hemolysis being such examples where RBC's can stay low. And ofc as sempei already mentioned; hemodilution.

However, now that I actually took a better look at the bloods, seeing how all hemo parameters are normal, I'm actually more inclined towards hemodilution. How much water did you actually drink before bloods @Sampei ?

 

[verylargeshoes]

However, now that I actually took a better look at the bloods, seeing how all hemo parameters are normal, I'm actually more inclined towards hemodilution. How much water did you actually drink before bloods @Sampei ?

I’d be interested to know what we SHOULD drink. Todd Lee recommends one gallon and says that people with high hematocrit are just under hydrated, but I’ve had normal hematocrit my whole life without shotgunning a gallon of water before.

 

[Sampei]

Sure, but we have RBC count and relatively low hemoglobin, so I'm just going of off that. But yes, to be 100% exact you can't go just of off CBC, you are correct, one can have normal erythropoiesis and still present with low RBC's: blood loss and hemolysis being such examples where RBC's can stay low. And ofc as sempei already mentioned; hemodilution.

However, now that I actually took a better look at the bloods, seeing how all hemo parameters are normal, I'm actually more inclined towards hemodilution. How much water did you actually drink before bloods @Sampei ?

Dunno man, I jugged a bottle that is 2 liter but was below half empty so maybe 500ml? 750ml? I may have drink 2 hours before something but not much as I injected 10IU IM of GH just to do a stupid serum test.

I'll retest without drinking anything to check if it changes by a lot or not

 

[Sampei]

I’d be interested to know what we SHOULD drink. Todd Lee recommends one gallon and says that people with high hematocrit are just under hydrated, but I’ve had normal hematocrit my whole life without shotgunning a gallon of water before.

I don't drink a gallon, it's just too much I believe I try to shoot for 3 liters plus shakes and some diet coke here and there xD