First Ever Bloodwork

[cloudbat]

Context:

I was huge as a teen (>325lbs / ~150KG) and managed to get down to 175lbs (12%bf) at 21, and naturally got up to 195lbs (14%bf) at 27. Finally decided to start taking T, for no other reason than vanity, which I think is sufficient as I am accepting of the consequences.

I don't plan to cycle on and off but probably Blast & Cruise for the forseeable future (at least 2 years).

I decided to run preliminary bloodwork which I got in Nov, and then got my first cycle post-T at 8weeks, during a trough, about 80hrs since my last shot. I'm currently on 250mg Test C/wk, MWF, and 250IU HCG MF.

I have a bit of bacne (not terrible) and my skin feels a bit dry and itchy on my back, and for the first couple nights on T my sleep was great, but then I noticed I would wake up just a little bit more frequently than usual. Other than what I mentioned I have no other sides, gf and friends monitored my mood for the past 2.5months and found nothing strange and I'm even a bit more outgoing, libido is fine, strength is going up slowly, nothing of concern.

Question:

I notice my E2 runs really high for my dosage, which to be honest doesn't surprise me, I had severe gyno at only 14, and even on my pre-blood work my E2 was mid-range for low-normal T. I'm not sure if letting my E2 run so high is wise, even though my symptoms are very mild.

What do you think would be appropriate way to handle the high E2?

I've got some Arimidex, and I was thinking of grounding up the tablet and dissolving in vodka so I could do precise dosing of 0.125mg 2x a week, Tue, Fri, and then see if that helps, re-running bloods in a few weeks.

I also have some Masteron which I could introduce at a small dosage to see if I can have it counteract the E2 effects, but given that I'm still new to this, I don't know if it would be wise to introduce another androgenic compound, so soon, which on its own could also cause other symptoms.

I don't think increasing injection frequency is the answer given how waaay out of range on E2 I am despite not being that far out of range for Total T.

Thoughts?

 

[BamaCrazy]

A few thoughts and questions.

1. Are you taking HCG for fertility reasons? It’s likely contributing to your high E2. That’s the only thing I can think that would cause that if you are truly 14% BF on 250mg Test. Unless you are just a high aromatizer.
2. If you’ve had gyno in the past you should include prolactin when you get your labs.
3. I don’t know about suspending your Arimidex in vodka but .125 to .25 mg 2-3 times a week will get your E2 down fairly quickly.
4. Your injection frequency is fine.

 

[cloudbat]

A few thoughts and questions.

1. Are you taking HCG for fertility reasons? It’s likely contributing to your high E2. That’s the only thing I can think that would cause that if you are truly 14% BF on 250mg Test. Unless you are just a high aromatizer.
2. If you’ve had gyno in the past you should include prolactin when you get your labs.
3. I don’t know about suspending your Arimidex in vodka but .125 to .25 mg 2-3 times a week will get your E2 down fairly quickly.
4. Your injection frequency is fine.

1. Yes I was planning to stay on 500-750IU a week for HCG to maintain testicular function for if I do want to come off (I do want to have a kid in a few years).

a. I do suspect I'm a high aromatizer given pre-test Total T was only 399ng/dL (was not cutting, ate carbs, don't consume alcohol, slept well prior etc etc), while E2 was 15 which is the middle of the reference range. Severe pubecent gyno also made me think high Aromatizer.

b. 195 was pre-test, and my most recent bf% check was a couple months before starting T. My weight did not fluctuate signficantly prior (2-3lbs). I'm up about 13lbs now (week 10). Don't know what my bf% is right now, but I would suspect it's a bit higher (I have not been dirty bulking but I was eating in a surplus to make the best of the test).

2. Gotcha, will include next time.

3. Noted. I considered a pill cutter but I don't think there's anyway to gurantee even distribution of active ingredients in the tab before cutting.

4. Noted.

 

[cloudbat]

Forgot to mention, been monitoring BP, which has not showed any signficant change measuring 3x per week. I average 117/60

 

[BamaCrazy]

Forgot to mention, been monitoring BP, which has not showed any signficant change measuring 3x per week. I average 117/60

That’s great news. All your labs look great except E2. Find the sweet spot with your AI and you are good to keep cruising along.

 

[cloudbat]

Forgot my stash was Aromasin and not Arimidex, but it's probably better that way. Gonna split up a tab into 4ths for now and take 1/4 2x a week for a couple weeks and see how I respond.

I think it's fine if my E2 runs a bit high and would be happy if I could get this number down by half.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Forgot my stash was Aromasin and not Arimidex, but it's probably better that way. Gonna split up a tab into 4ths for now and take 1/4 2x a week for a couple weeks and see how I respond.

I think it's fine if my E2 runs a bit high and would be happy if I could get this number down by half.

Aromasin 12.5mg twice a week for a couple of weeks will get your E2 down. Be cautious. It can also crash your E2 if you are not careful.

 

[cloudbat]

Update, started at ~1/3rd a tab Aromasin (8.3mg) EOD, and noticed a mild decrease in acne and symptoms went down a bit but didn't subside.

After 2 weeks I went up to 12.5mg EOD and after a week everything subsided and I felt no negative effects mentally or physically. Have kept running that dose since. Due for a retest in a week.

 

[cloudbat]

Got my bloods back. On my usual day I took 2 E2 tests, regular and ultra sensitive. I took both so I can know going forward if I can go with regular sometimes. Results from the same day.



A couple days later, Friday, I took another regular e2. I figured this would give me an idea of the range between peak-trough E2.



Safe to say I think 12.5mg Aromasin EOD is sufficient. I don't wanna go any higher than this else I'll crash my E2.