Brew recipes bible

[Fizzik]

What are the Chinese labs using? Do we know. I seem to have an issue with mig812 causing joint pain in my arms.

 

[Photon]

I would still use BB even when brewing with MIG840. Because I found pins being smoother and less chances of PIP with a minimum of BB helping in keeping the steroid raw in solution even so it looks like it's not needed for some of it.

I was actually hoping to make it less viscous by using MIG and no BB. MIG has 2-3x lower viscosity. Does it still pin better with BB included? I'm using 31G so I need it as viscous as possible. It goes in pretty smooth with heated oil and all MIG.

What are the Chinese labs using? Do we know. I seem to have an issue with mig812 causing joint pain in my arms.

You won't see them using mig, it's more expensive. They use the cheapest MCT oil with high amounts of EO and BB.

 

[Sampei]

What are the Chinese labs using? Do we know. I seem to have an issue with mig812 causing joint pain in my arms.

If you have an issue with mig812 you have it with MCT too so I'm not sure you know what you are injecting lol

 

[Fizzik]

If you have an issue with mig812 you have it with MCT too so I'm not sure you know what you are injecting lol

Very true lol. I was using Chinese oil and got PIP but no joint issues. I switch to domestic and they claim MCT which seems thicker than the Chinese oil but couple hours after injection it’s like clock work my fingers, wrists and elbows start to hurt. This is even after filtering myself.

I sent a sample of the domestic source from this forum to Jano, I should get results back soon enough. I know it won’t tell me specific carrier oil but I will know if it’s at least Test C

 

[Humble-Beast]

I use 25% BB to thin out the EQ. As I brew it at 500+ mg

Hey man, I'm wondering if this is thin enough for 27g needle?
I was gonna use EO and BA only for 500mg, but I don't see anyone doing that, lol.
I know EQ doesn't require BB as the EO has solvent properties, but significantly thinner than bb. But maybe at higher concentrations you need the BB for it to hold?
Is there something else I'm missing with everyone wanting to include bb in their EQ recipe over eo, given they tolerate eo fine?

 

[Sampei]

Hey man, I'm wondering if this is thin enough for 27g needle?
I was gonna use EO and BA only for 500mg, but I don't see anyone doing that, lol.
I know EQ doesn't require BB as the EO has solvent properties, but significantly thinner than bb. But maybe at higher concentrations you need the BB for it to hold?
Is there something else I'm missing with everyone wanting to include bb in their EQ recipe over eo, given they tolerate eo fine?

Ppl don't like EO so they don't use EO. If you like EO and you have no issue with it, use EO.

 

[Humble-Beast]

Ppl don't like EO so they don't use EO. If you like EO and you have no issue with it, use EO.

Cool, I'll see how it goes with a small amt first. Thx

 

[Photon]

Hey man, I'm wondering if this is thin enough for 27g needle?
I was gonna use EO and BA only for 500mg, but I don't see anyone doing that, lol.
I know EQ doesn't require BB as the EO has solvent properties, but significantly thinner than bb. But maybe at higher concentrations you need the BB for it to hold?
Is there something else I'm missing with everyone wanting to include bb in their EQ recipe over eo, given they tolerate eo fine?

You can do 550+ in EQ with MCT or EO, no BB.
You dont really need extra solvent properties.

I see EO as inferior in many ways, but since you like it you can use it. It's used by Chinese vendors because its cheaper than MCT and BB. EO is also not significantly thinner than BB. I think BB is still the thinnest of all with the exception of BA, which is a much stronger solvent.

Even 30g is fine if you are using insulin needles. I use 31g for my EQ which is brewed at ~600. I backfill it using a 27G.

 

[Humble-Beast]

You can do 550+ in EQ with MCT or EO, no BB.
You dont really need extra solvent properties.

I see EO as inferior in many ways, but since you like it you can use it. It's used by Chinese vendors because its cheaper than MCT and BB. EO is also not significantly thinner than BB. I think BB is still the thinnest of all.

Even 30g is fine if you are using insulin needles. I use 31g for my EQ which is brewed at ~600. I backfill it using a 27G.

Awesome, thank you. I don't necessarily like it better, I just thought it'd be my best bet with 27g.
I'd rather use the MCT oil actually. Is it just ba, and the rest EQ then? 600mg in a 30g sounds real nice.

 

[Sampei]

You can do 550+ in EQ with MCT or EO, no BB.
You dont really need extra solvent properties.

I see EO as inferior in many ways, but since you like it you can use it. It's used by Chinese vendors because its cheaper than MCT and BB. EO is also not significantly thinner than BB. I think BB is still the thinnest of all with the exception of BA, which is a much stronger solvent.

Even 30g is fine if you are using insulin needles. I use 31g for my EQ which is brewed at ~600. I backfill it using a 27G.

One use BB or EO to thin the EQ at 500/600mg even so it's not needed to hold the substance in solution.

EO has an average viscosity of 4.0
BB is close to 10.
So yeah EO is kinda thinner

 

[Photon]

One use BB or EO to thin the EQ at 500/600mg even so it's not needed to hold the substance in solution.

EO has an average viscosity of 4.0
BB is close to 10.
So yeah EO is kinda thinner

Looks like Mig is ~10 too.
Different websites seems to list them different viscosity, but i guess it might be due to different testing methods

 

[Humble-Beast]

Anyone have their EO ever go rancid?
Chpt says EO can get rancid over time and MCT is more stable and resistant to oxidation.
Couldn't get an answer as to how long before it goes rancid.

 

[Photon]

Anyone have their EO ever go rancid?
Chpt says EO can get rancid over time and MCT is more stable and resistant to oxidation.
Couldn't get an answer as to how long before it goes rancid.

That's kinda one of the reasons i avoid EO.
Shorter shelf life, oxides quicker, destroys rubber but yet weaker solvent properties than BB.
Most people here don't brew with it, you might have better luck asking in the china ugl threads.

 

[Sampei]

Anyone have their EO ever go rancid?
Chpt says EO can get rancid over time and MCT is more stable and resistant to oxidation.
Couldn't get an answer as to how long before it goes rancid.

When it turns bright yellow it has oxidised a lot, rancid I don't know, but yeah it has a shorter half-life compared to MCT and BB.

 

[Sampei]

Looks like Mig is ~10 too.
Different websites seems to list them different viscosity, but i guess it might be due to different testing methods

Yes mig840 is around the same viscosity of BB

 

[Humble-Beast]

That's kinda one of the reasons i avoid EO.
Shorter shelf life, oxides quicker, destroys rubber but yet weaker solvent properties than BB.
Most people here don't brew with it, you might have better luck asking in the china ugl threads.

Yeah, screw the EO, I handle BB and MCT just fine, so I'm gonna stick with that.

When it turns bright yellow it has oxidised a lot, rancid I don't know, but yeah it has a shorter half-life compared to MCT and BB.

Helpful, thanks bro

 

[Sampei]

Yeah, screw the EO, I handle BB and MCT just fine, so I'm gonna stick with that.

Helpful, thanks bro

Probably healthier too so good choice

 

[maplesteroids1004]

So guys I'm trying to make a Bible with all the tested recipes that are pipless and at different concentrations and ratios of BA/BB

I'll soon make an excel so that is easier to search and edit.

@Millard can you give me the permission to keep editing this post so I can add recipes in the future?

All the credit goes to: @Spaceman Spiff
And everyone that has helped him (I don't know your names guys, if there are any, in case just let me know and I'll add you the credit list)


Oils: all MCT except when it's written a different carrier oil.

Some Standard Recipes I use with 1.5/20:

Test C 200
Tren A 100
Tren E 200
NPP 100
Test P 100

Recipes I use with 1.5/15-18


EQ 500(18% as a thinning agent)
Mast E 200(15%)
Deca 300 (18%)
Test E 250(not sure BB is even needed )
Primo E150 (18%)


High Concentration:


Test D 500 (24%)
Test U 200(25%)
NPP 150(24%)
Test C 250(25%)
Mast E 300(22%)
Test U 250 Castor (35-50%)
Test U 350mg Castor (50%)

Just thinking out loud — do you guys think the temp the raws were brewed at might also play a role in whether something crashes or not? Like maybe if it’s undercooked or overheated during the process, it doesn’t hold right long-term?

I’ve noticed certain raws seem to behave a bit differently too — like Test P or NPP needing more heat to fully go into solution, maybe somewhere in that 90–110°C range, while stuff like Test E seems to mix fine at more moderate temps, and Deca or even Tren Ace might not need much at all, like 50–60°C.

Not sure if that plays a part, but just something I’ve been wondering when comparing batches that hold perfectly vs ones that crash out over time.

 

[dasking]

Very true lol. I was using Chinese oil and got PIP but no joint issues. I switch to domestic and they claim MCT which seems thicker than the Chinese oil but couple hours after injection it’s like clock work my fingers, wrists and elbows start to hurt. This is even after filtering myself.

I sent a sample of the domestic source from this forum to Jano, I should get results back soon enough. I know it won’t tell me specific carrier oil but I will know if it’s at least Test C

Hey brother im unique with alot of my reactions. But seemingly for me MCT oil is a very mild allergin more or less. While im running my full supplement protocol i had no reactions. While running tb-500, Bpc-157 it made my reactions seem absolutely random.

It's like collectively the longer I use mct or mig and the more frequently. I slowly build up to and inflammatory state. Before trial and error and blood work my cycles were always cut short.

 

[Photon]

TNE
G-free
~125mg/ml
BA/BB % are in the report.

I don't pin the whole 1ml.
Anything above 80 feels weird to me.
I much prefer to pin a 1ml syringe consisting of 1/2ml TNE and 1/2 sdrol. Both g-free ofc.

Hopefully we see more vendors brewing this without G.
- Test base / tren base by itself has PIP.
- Higher BA also has PIP.
- It does crash.

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