HGH -- What do the results look like?

[rexy]

Do you find IGF serum reading to be that accurate regarding HGH working or not? I mean, i know it's one of the 2 available ways to measure HGH but there are cases who used 18IU serostim and their IGF serum was below 200. Yet the physique had a significant improvement. And vice versa, guys with 2-3 IU getting absurdly high IGF readings.

Tren in particular reduces the total IGF serum reading you'd get on a given HGH dose, but upregulates it's use within skeletal muscle, so that's another factor. It becomes a net-gain for muscle growth, but appears as if you have reduced potency on the lab reading.

In reality, the test in that case is showing lower than might be expected serum levels, because some of that serum reading is being sucked into muscle to get the job done.

I'm sure to some degree this is probably happening with some other compounds.

 

[Ghoul]

Do you find IGF serum reading to be that accurate regarding HGH working or not? I mean, i know it's one of the 2 available ways to measure HGH but there are cases who used 18IU serostim and their IGF serum was below 200. Yet the physique had a significant improvement. And vice versa, guys with 2-3 IU getting absurdly high IGF readings.

IGF is really only used as a marker because unlike GH it's pretty stable. In short stature children its growth results that matter, regardless of IGF, which is mainly used to verify treatment effectiveness in adults where effects are harder to measure.

GH has significant direct effects even without efficient conversion to IGF from a damaged liver (and without conversion there's more GH in circulation to "pick up the slack"). So that could easily explain good result, low IGF.

IGF is an imperfect marker too. You'd need IGFBP-3 (binding hormone) and Free IGF to get the complete picture. Too much or too little binding hormone can make IGF look low. Then figure out why IGFBP-3 is out of range (inflammation, insulin resistance, high cortisol).

Personally if I saw much lower than expected IGF the first thing I'd do is make sure my liver was ok, since that's the most concerning possible cause.

 

[brutalbuilt]

Do you find IGF serum reading to be that accurate regarding HGH working or not? I mean, i know it's one of the 2 available ways to measure HGH but there are cases who used 18IU serostim and their IGF serum was below 200. Yet the physique had a significant improvement. And vice versa, guys with 2-3 IU getting absurdly high IGF readings.

nope

 

[Slowww]

Last year I did a bulk to 240lbs without hGH and then cut, then did another bulk with hGH and the composition was totally different at despite getting to a heavier 250lbs. Granted I had more muscle mass in the second one (just due to it being 6 months later), but the difference in condition at 110kg+ in both instances were really obvious despite using the same compounds, same amounts and same food choices.
A few weeks will not lead to a noticeable change. Long term differences are very obvious especially if you compare results with and without it.
GH made a large difference over the span of half a year (one bulking phase) in how my body was able to utilize nutrients in a surplus, and the % of body fat I had at the same weight.
Don’t worry about a little water tbh.

 

[Trinity2019]

BTDT. Years of fucked up sleep in the Army followed by years of working 12hr midnights has permanently fucked my shit up. Having sleep apnea doesn't help either. No electronic screens for a couple hours before bed, pitch dark cool bedroom, yadda yadda. Tried it all.

Me the same. Everything useless. I can only sleep with codeine but I take it only 2-3 Times a week, I don't wan't to be fully addict

 

[clearheaded]

Me the same. Everything useless. I can only sleep with codeine but I take it only 2-3 Times a week, I don't wan't to be fully addict

IMO thats way to much esp if want to avoid addiction. 3x times a week is 12 days a month man so ur esentially keeping some opiate in ur system MOST of the month ur asking for it... actually any regular use ur just playing with fire... may just be for sleep, then start upping dose but no big deal u only do it 2-3 times a week, then every now and then take an extra day a week, then ur muscles start to hurt a little more then usual so u pop one during the day, then a buddy has a surgery and gives u a Percocet .... they suck u in, people dont want to be hardcore addicts man, they get sucked in every so gently. anyway, I know its cliche, and deep down u know its correct, cliches are cliches for a reason.

 

[CarvinDC125]

Last year I did a bulk to 240lbs without hGH and then cut, then did another bulk with hGH and the composition was totally different at despite getting to a heavier 250lbs. Granted I had more muscle mass in the second one (just due to it being 6 months later), but the difference in condition at 110kg+ in both instances were really obvious despite using the same compounds, same amounts and same food choices.
A few weeks will not lead to a noticeable change. Long term differences are very obvious especially if you compare results with and without it.
GH made a large difference over the span of half a year (one bulking phase) in how my body was able to utilize nutrients in a surplus, and the % of body fat I had at the same weight.
Don’t worry about a little water tbh.

This is spot on and why I personally recommend that if your going to use GH for it’s physical effects then prepare to use it for the long road. You’re looking at a 6 month cycle minimum and really and truly should do a minimum of a year to take full advantage.
My personal recommendation is 18 to 24 months then reassess from there. Expect to feel it at around 3 months, start seeing it at 6 months with full potential peaking between 18-24 months. After that you can stay on if you like but you won’t notice much change in way of muscle growth but the anti aging affects will continue indefinitely.

 

[dinfar1337]

This is spot on and why I personally recommend that if your going to use GH for it’s physical effects then prepare to use it for the long road. You’re looking at a 6 month cycle minimum and really and truly should do a minimum of a year to take full advantage.
My personal recommendation is 18 to 24 months then reassess from there. Expect to feel it at around 3 months, start seeing it at 6 months with full potential peaking between 18-24 months. After that you can stay on if you like but you won’t notice much change in way of muscle growth but the anti aging affects will continue indefinitely.

hyperplasia is still a thing, you will end up with increased protein synthesis which also means increased muscle protein synthesis at the long road; you're better off staying on hgh all life than not if goal is to hit as many pathways as possible to grow as much as possible.

also u just lose bodyfat way better on hgh

 

[CarvinDC125]

hyperplasia is still a thing, you will end up with increased protein synthesis which also means increased muscle protein synthesis at the long road; you're better off staying on hgh all life than not if goal is to hit as many pathways as possible to grow as much as possible.

also u just lose bodyfat way better on hgh

This is true too. Especially if you’re just cruising along on like 3-4ius a day.
If nothing is bothering you and your sugar levels are ok you most certainly can just stay on for life.
There are people like Dr. Life (no pun intended) whom are doing this very thing! Dr. Life is in his 80s with the body of an incredibly in shape 40yo

 

[Slowww]

This is spot on and why I personally recommend that if your going to use GH for it’s physical effects then prepare to use it for the long road. You’re looking at a 6 month cycle minimum and really and truly should do a minimum of a year to take full advantage.
My personal recommendation is 18 to 24 months then reassess from there. Expect to feel it at around 3 months, start seeing it at 6 months with full potential peaking between 18-24 months. After that you can stay on if you like but you won’t notice much change in way of muscle growth but the anti aging affects will continue indefinitely.

Definitely agree about cycle length. Frankly the longer you can use it the better in terms of progress. Cuts Lose weight more quickly, bulk gain fat more slowly. So long as BG is managed it seems like a plus in any case.

 

[TRTSCOUT]

I think it really depends on the person. I know people that get carpal tunnel issues with anything over 3ius.
Here’s what one year at 3ius nightly GH has done for me.

Bro....please do a full disclosure on other fat burners you were using. If I am following threads closely enough, you claimed these pictures were the result of 8 months on TESA and IPA?

In either case tell the whole story of your fat loss or be less than credible....if it was a mere oversight,, lack of attention, apology accepted.

Reason I am poking you, we are all trying to learn and make decisions, your post leads the reader to believe HGH gave you those pictures...

 

[serkan]

I've been taking 2-3 IU of HGH for two months. I think it's ruined my blood sugar. My fasting blood sugar is between 100-110 in the morning. I took berberine before bed, but that didn't lower my blood sugar either. Could it be due to high cortisol levels? My long-term level is 5.5, though.

 

[Eddie.]

I've been taking 2-3 IU of HGH for two months. I think it's ruined my blood sugar. My fasting blood sugar is between 100-110 in the morning. I took berberine before bed, but that didn't lower my blood sugar either. Could it be due to high cortisol levels? My long-term level is 5.5, though.

Yes it could be. Also, skip the GH for 2-3 days and keep measuring your morning fasted BG. If it's still that high it means you need to do something to fix it, if it drops back to normal then probably GH creates a higher than actual reading. Although i must say if your A1c is 5,5 is not very good, you probably need diet adjustments, cardio and lose some bodyfat if it's high. I doubt 2-3 IU will cause insulin resistance though..

 

[serkan]

Yes it could be. Also, skip the GH for 2-3 days and keep measuring your morning fasted BG. If it's still that high it means you need to do something to fix it, if it drops back to normal then probably GH creates a higher than actual reading. Although i must say if your A1c is 5,5 is not very good, you probably need diet adjustments, cardio and lose some bodyfat if it's high. I doubt 2-3 IU will cause insulin resistance though..

My diet isn't perfect. Very little sugar, no juice, I go to the gym three times a week. I'm 50 years old. Attached is a picture of me shortly after a workout. I really don't know how to improve it. The picture is 2-3 years old, but I still look like this. I really don't know how to improve my sugar problem.

 

[fatspider]

That photo reminds me of Monty Python

Don't mind me, just having fun man

But seriously, you look great for 50-ish. I think Eddie is right with diet adjustments and especially cardio. Your BF looks 18-20%, I was in the same boat 3 months ago - started HGH 2.7iu ED, Tirz 2-4mg EW and cardio 3 times per week and that was a game changer! I've lost around 4% of BF till this day, did my bloods every month and my morning glucose has always been 80. For the first month I have taken Metformin which then replaced with supplements - astragalus, pterostilbene, NAD+ and r-alpha-lipoic acid. I feel great, happy with the cut's progress, my only regret is that I didn't start earlier.

 

[Stubb]

I've been taking 2-3 IU of HGH for two months. I think it's ruined my blood sugar. My fasting blood sugar is between 100-110 in the morning. I took berberine before bed, but that didn't lower my blood sugar either. Could it be due to high cortisol levels? My long-term level is 5.5, though.

Take berberine with food to most effectively control bgl.

 

[deadbeef]

My diet isn't perfect. Very little sugar, no juice, I go to the gym three times a week. I'm 50 years old. Attached is a picture of me shortly after a workout. I really don't know how to improve it. The picture is 2-3 years old, but I still look like this. I really don't know how to improve my sugar problem.

Add tirzepatide or retatrutide and do daily cardio. Those are pretty much guaranteed to bring your insulin sensitivity up.

 

[AlexDavis43]

My diet isn't perfect. Very little sugar, no juice, I go to the gym three times a week. I'm 50 years old. Attached is a picture of me shortly after a workout. I really don't know how to improve it. The picture is 2-3 years old, but I still look like this. I really don't know how to improve my sugar problem.

As mentioned, stop doing GH for a few weeks

If fasting glucose doesn't normalize, you're getting the 'beetus from something other than GH

At which point you'd want further testing

 

[Slowww]

As mentioned, stop doing GH for a few weeks

If fasting glucose doesn't normalize, you're getting the 'beetus from something other than GH

At which point you'd want further testing

Yeah, kind of doubt 2-3iu would have that kind of effect on most healthy people. If folks running up to 10iu can stay out of pre-diabetic range, it very well could be another factor and there’s no way to know unless the poster starts to limit variables

 

[serkan]

As mentioned, stop doing GH for a few weeks

If fasting glucose doesn't normalize, you're getting the 'beetus from something other than GH

At which point you'd want further testing

Thank you very much! I have a question... I still have 3-4 vials of HGH. I was planning on using them. I'm reluctant to stop now because I don't want to start using HGH again just because I have 3 vials. Can I still use the 3-4 vials if my blood sugar is between 100-110? Or should I stop immediately?