Kralteramon
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Guess we'll have to start producing our own raw materials :''')
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Ordering raw
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Unfortunately it’s not that easy. The reagents used are quite toxic and hard to work with. Equipment wise it’s not that bad but you really need a whole industry supporting.
IndividualMan
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you can synthesize in small batches, but it is more expensive on a per gram basis, and as this guy correctly assesed, some of the stuff involved is really toxic. at some point from estradiol to nandrolone or nandrolone to tren there is a substance involved which is so incredibly carcinogenic you dont even want to be near it wit hprotective equipment
Gdubb184
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Someone somewhere will fill the void. Always happens. I bet Indian API manufacturers find a way into the game.
IndividualMan
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can't trust the indians at the moment. Maybe if its the way it was back in the early 2000s with a foreign head of operations leading an indian pharma company, but at the moment they are too short term profit oriented to build lasting businesses in this space.
Ghoul
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Since the end of last year, seizures down by 60%, ODs down by 30%, and purity has been declining.
Didn't they start to use a new drug? I don’t know if they come cold turkey after being addicted to fentanyl/opium
IndividualMan
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all the synthetic opioids/ precursors were produced in china, as far as i know. nitazines, designer benzos, all that stuff was chinese made. man some of those were tasty.
Ghoul
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There are analogues replacing fentanyl because fent precursors are much harder to get now. Last week China added two of the most important ones to the list of illegal precursors to be cracked down on,
I've been pointing out the illegal drug precursor business, including AAS, is not worth that much to China. It's been a bargaining chip. And now they see it as a club being used against them in trade negotiations. They're obligated by a UN treaty not to sell illegal drug precursors.
Thats why the crackdown started within days of the US election. They wanted to get in front of the problem, hoping to head off things like the end of de minimus for China.
China's general trade makes as much in one hour as a year of white powder sales are worth. .
"But last Friday, Beijing added two precursors to a list of controlled chemicals starting July 20, according to a government statement. The chemicals, 4-piperidone and 1-boc-4-piperidone, were "considered fundamental to resolving the fentanyl issue," raising hopes that the 20% tariffs could be eventually lifted, according to a source familiar with U.S. government thinking.
The move came after U.S. Ambassador David Perdue had a rare meeting with China's Minister of Public Security Wang Xiaohong last Thursday in Beijing, at which Wang expressed willingness to work with Washington on drug control, according to a Chinese statement.
China's Foreign Ministry said the action on precursors was an "independent measure" taken by Beijing in line with the UN Drug Convention and "demonstrates China's attitude of actively participating in global drug governance."""
IndividualMan
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kets good too, but that one is usually sourced from Veterinarians, not china. Way easier, plus normies do not trust chinese injects unles they help them becoming less fat &gluttonous versions of themselves
With the price of raws I thought everyone had a 5-10 year backup supply of test hidden in a cool dark part of their home. With all the ups and downs, it seems about every 5 years this happens.
Guess you're just gonna have to wait until a Democrat is back in office.
Since when do we let new members ask for sources on this site anyway?
Guess you're just gonna have to wait until a Democrat is back in office.
Since when do we let new members ask for sources on this site anyway?
Will be difficult to get aas raws from China.
I posted an old synthesis for testosterone as my self intro.
Didn't see much interest, just usual colorful comments
I would like to buy their manufacturing documents for steroids
Because i never got hired by pharma, kinda like closure before i die
Yeah they're always producing new ones.. They already have a new one in the works supposedly it will be finished next month supposed to be better than the nitazenes ever were, apparently they're going to move to a new line completely and stop any new zenes .. they're still producing all the old ones as well, there's labs in Canada,Germany, Poland,and China still producing and shipping all the pre ban stuff, The exact same places even....The crazy thing is from everything I've been able to find.. This hasn't affected the research chemical industry at all... Which supposedly was the purpose.. they're still shipping out proto, which was banned years ago.. I think what others said before is pretty accurate, none of this is going to affect the underground drug market at all even though it's wrecking the steroid market. It's too big of a market and there's too big of a demand worldwide, kind of like the cartel you just can't stop it. All the major labs just quit advertising publicly like they used to, but they never went anywhere.. It's the ones that are advertising publicly that you have to watch out for and the ones that are taking people's money.. I'm not in the game anymore but I used to be pretty far involved and I still have all my old connects and contacts and I keep an eye on shit.. It's crazy You would have thought this would have stopped it, All it did was drive them further underground.. research chem business is booming right now, but it's mainly speeds and psychedelics, And everybody's screaming give us more, That's why they're in the labs working heavy to produce new ones as we speak so they can continue to move them publicly without hiding, It's the same old game of staying one step ahead of the ATF and federal government, And yeah it's China If you're asking or wondering.. they're obviously not scared of s*** they're just adapting.. Canada is heavily infested with the cartel and a lot of their labs are up there now helping to keep it moving, seizures are down because they just quit bringing it in the same way across the southern border obviously because it's suicide but nothing stopped.. prices are still the same as they were before all this started which is f****** wild,fet,meth,coke.. It's all cheaper than it's been in 15 years even after all of the southern border shit going on.. The media is obviously saying one thing but the prices and the underground market are showing something completely different which is no surprise The media has always been nothing but lies and bs..
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They're literally synthesizing zenes now in Canada from the precursors.. somebody's still shipping them from somewhere.. I seen one lab bragging not long ago about how it didn't matter what laws were passed they would never get shut down or lose their access, They were literally having a grind session on the deminimus law, laughing and saying how it didn't do shit, and that they're getting packages through the same as they always did, and that they had distributors everywhere and they could ship it in from 10 different directions... It's just like the fentanyl thing they just continually adapt, And they're still getting the precursors, these drug cartels just have too much money and when it comes down to that doesn't matter what laws they pass they're going to always get what they want
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One of the bigger places out there has a discord and they just bs all day on there, You can basically buy anything under the sun...he told me if I wanted a kilogram of zenes They didn't even have to ship it from China It was already here... And that when they want more they just make more because they have a connect with all the precursors that would never be broken... I'm assuming he means somewhere in North America... If I were to guess it was Canada, It's always been Canada everybody thinks it's Mexico,the southern border, but they don't realize how big of a player Canada is as well.
Whoever's behind all of this, And allowing it to continue.. like who's REALLY behind it....Its no different than the Epstein client list.. what list? There's a list? I don't know what list you're talking about, there never was a list.. It's so much bigger than a couple factories in China selling chemicals to people to make drugs.. The fact that it's continuing like it never even hit a bump in the road, And they're already synthesizing new things as we speak.. This is just a big dog and pony show to entertain and appease the public on TV, they're not actually trying to stop anything.. That's what I think
