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[readalot]

im unfamiliar with tren really, and really at this age in my life i don't really think its what im really after, ,

The question is whether tren has a negative rep due to tren or the shit that gets made when it is heated in oil with oxygen around?

Surely someone has figured this out?

Anyone use original parabolan by Negma? What color was it? How was it brewed? Genuinely curious.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

The question is whether tren has a negative rep due to tren or the shit that gets made when it is heated in oil with oxygen around?

Surely someone has figured this out?

Anyone use original parabolan by Negma? What color was it? How was it brewed? Genuinely curious.

Sifting through the internet, it appears parabolan mainly came in amps and was a yellowish color over the amber color we are used to seeing. I do not know the carrier oil used or anything of that nature. If it counts I've only purchased tren ace from 2 sources. The most recent purchase has a color closer to what I see for parabolan. Assuming this means the brewing process might be similar regarding oxidation.

 

[Buffering]

Jano has already commented on this previously, the darker the color, the more oxidized it is. You only need to search this forum for several reports from users who say they "feel" absolutely nothing with light tren and blame the brand that sells it for not containing tren, when finally, upon analysis, it gives an exact concentration. Tren's effects are probably due to the byproducts of this oxidation and not to trenbolone itself. The double bonds make this hormone very susceptible and delicate to thermal oxidation, regardless of the melting point of the ester, which is another topic. Furthermore, something similar could be happening with boldenone, where the usual purity in both CYP and U is around 80-90%. This is striking, as in a study with several bodybuilders, only the group that used boldenone showed greater stress and kidney damage, as analyzed by blood and ultrasound, compared to other groups. In other words, these substances derived from oxidation will not only produce greater side effects but also greater reactive oxygen species and organ damage.

 

[readalot]

Jano has already commented on this previously, the darker the color, the more oxidized it is. You only need to search this forum for several reports from users who say they "feel" absolutely nothing with light tren and blame the brand that sells it for not containing tren, when finally, upon analysis, it gives an exact concentration. Tren's effects are probably due to the byproducts of this oxidation and not to trenbolone itself. The double bonds make this hormone very susceptible and delicate to thermal oxidation, regardless of the melting point of the ester, which is another topic. Furthermore, something similar could be happening with boldenone, where the usual purity in both CYP and U is around 80-90%. This is striking, as in a study with several bodybuilders, only the group that used boldenone showed greater stress and kidney damage, as analyzed by blood and ultrasound, compared to other groups. In other words, these substances derived from oxidation will not only produce greater side effects but also greater reactive oxygen species and organ damage.

Thanks for your comments. Thats basically what i had here on the oxidation chemistry so good confirmation. I will look for the feelz anecdotes. Appreciate it.

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Post in thread 'Tren . . . the nectar of the gods'

Aug 5, 2025

So bumping this. There may be a better thread. If there is let me know.

Anyone gone down the rabbit hole of tren color and the oxidation chemistry upon heating tren raws in oil with O2 headspace? @Type-IIx?

The chemistry is pretty straight forward with conjugated C-C double bonds (I will spare the numbering) reacting to form quinones which are known chromophores.

The rub is these benzoquinone tren derivatives are decently studied in cancer research for their ability to increase ROS and speed up cell death. So my hypothesis is that when you run darkly colored tren you are...

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[readalot]

In other words, these substances derived from oxidation will not only produce greater side effects but also greater reactive oxygen species and organ damage.

To clarify, did you mean to say anabolic effects for the bolded part?

I would consider organ damage a side effect. The benzoquinone derivatives of tren have been looked at in chemotherapy I believe.

 

[Buffering]

To clarify, did you mean to say anabolic effects for the bolded part?

I would consider organ damage a side effect. The benzoquinone derivatives of tren have been looked at in chemotherapy I believe.

Not at all. Let's remember that Parabolan was sold at 76.5 mg approved for human use, a dose corresponding to 50 mg of trenbolone, similar to the 50 mg of Organon's Deca Durabolin. Do you think it would have been approved if, in trials and during use, potential users (men, women, and children) had experienced the severe side effects associated with trenbolone today? The answer is obvious. On the other hand, let's remember that the production of injectables by a pharmaceutical company doesn't use the same temperature as those who produce raw materials at UGL. Pharmaceutical companies, by having a sterile environment, their production process reduces the rate of oxidation that could occur. That said, even so, since trenbolone is so susceptible to oxidation, it will usually present a variable oxidation rate, which will cause greater or lesser side effects, that is, an increased pulse rate, night sweats, a probable mitochondrial uncoupling effect, greater stimulation of the nervous system, greater neurotoxicity, and greater organ toxicity. It is true that oxidized products can promote lipolysis or energy expenditure due to this overstimulation of the nervous system (increase in strength), but not in terms of their anabolic potential.

 

[sneak007]

I've had a vial of tren sitting in my closet for 6 months. When I first got it, no problems. After trying it again recently, I got some bad sides (sick to my stomach).
There are no other variables to note in my diet/protocol.
Do you think degradation played a role? Anyone experience this?

 

[BamaCrazy]

Not at all. Let's remember that Parabolan was sold at 76.5 mg approved for human use, a dose corresponding to 50 mg of trenbolone, similar to the 50 mg of Organon's Deca Durabolin. Do you think it would have been approved if, in trials and during use, potential users (men, women, and children) had experienced the severe side effects associated with trenbolone today? The answer is obvious. On the other hand, let's remember that the production of injectables by a pharmaceutical company doesn't use the same temperature as those who produce raw materials at UGL. Pharmaceutical companies, by having a sterile environment, their production process reduces the rate of oxidation that could occur. That said, even so, since trenbolone is so susceptible to oxidation, it will usually present a variable oxidation rate, which will cause greater or lesser side effects, that is, an increased pulse rate, night sweats, a probable mitochondrial uncoupling effect, greater stimulation of the nervous system, greater neurotoxicity, and greater organ toxicity. It is true that oxidized products can promote lipolysis or energy expenditure due to this overstimulation of the nervous system (increase in strength), but not in terms of their anabolic potential.

Well, that explains my liver enzymes after only 2 weeks using this very dark vial of Tren A. My ALT and AST are now higher than when I take orals.

 

[readalot]

Not at all. Let's remember that Parabolan was sold at 76.5 mg approved for human use, a dose corresponding to 50 mg of trenbolone, similar to the 50 mg of Organon's Deca Durabolin. Do you think it would have been approved if, in trials and during use, potential users (men, women, and children) had experienced the severe side effects associated with trenbolone today?

No I dont.

The answer is obvious. On the other hand, let's remember that the production of injectables by a pharmaceutical company doesn't use the same temperature as those who produce raw materials at UGL. Pharmaceutical companies, by having a sterile environment, their production process reduces the rate of oxidation that could occur.

Sterile environment, less oxidation? I would think temperature, inert headspace and inert gas purge of carrier oil during injectable formulation process, antioxidant use, would all be direct knobs to minimize oxidation.

That said, even so, since trenbolone is so susceptible to oxidation, it will usually present a variable oxidation rate, which will cause greater or lesser side effects, that is, an increased pulse rate, night sweats, a probable mitochondrial uncoupling effect, greater stimulation of the nervous system, greater neurotoxicity, and greater organ toxicity. It is true that oxidized products can promote lipolysis or energy expenditure due to this overstimulation of the nervous system (increase in strength), but not in terms of their anabolic potential.

Sounds like we are in heated agreement that isolating the effects of true trenbolone vs it's oxidation / degradation products made during UG brewing is a worthy cause. Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

 

[Sera]

No I dont.


Sterile environment, less oxidation? I would think temperature, inert headspace and inert gas purge of carrier oil during injectable formulation process, antioxidant use, would all be direct knobs to minimize oxidation.


Sounds like we are in heated agreement that isolating the effects of true trenbolone vs it's oxidation / degradation products made during UG brewing is a worthy cause. Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

I wonder if BHT would stabilise tren (thinking out loud)

 

[readalot]

I wonder if BHT would stabilise tren (thinking out loud)

That was my thought. BHT or alpha tocopherol. The Vit E is heat sensitive.

Hence my delusion to "brew" quality tren raws with right solvent matrix that enables very low heat and in an N2 environment. Oil would have to be high quality, no O2 present, etc.
Antioxidant might stabilize the tren oil after being vialed. Antioxidant package developed would need to be IM compatible.

But hey, people basically injecting chemo-like drugs with their tren currently. Lol. So what's a little BHT?

 

[Sera]

That was my thought. BHT or alpha tocopherol. The Vit E is heat sensitive.

Hence my delusion to "brew" quality tren raws with right solvent matrix that enables very low heat and in an N2 environment. Oil would have to be high quality, no O2 present, etc.
Antioxidant might stabilize the tren oil after being vialed. Antioxidant package developed would need to be IM compatible.

But hey, people basically injecting chemo-like drugs with their tren currently. Lol. So what's a little BHT?

It’s bound to at least reduce the degradation isn’t it. And if as you say the degradation products are sketchy, then a little BHT is no big deal. (Probably)

 

[readalot]

It’s bound to at least reduce the degradation isn’t it. And if as you say the degradation products are sketchy, then a little BHT is no big deal.

You definitely help me with the "baby steps" concept. I go too far too fast.

 

[Sera]

You definitely help me with the "baby steps" concept. I go too far too fast.

Definitely need to avoid biting off more than one can chew.
If one was to try it, try vitamin e first. BHT is still a bit sketchy I think.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I've had a vial of tren sitting in my closet for 6 months. When I first got it, no problems. After trying it again recently, I got some bad sides (sick to my stomach).
There are no other variables to note in my diet/protocol.
Do you think degradation played a role? Anyone experience this?

I very much doubt it

 

[dinfar1337]

Not at all. Let's remember that Parabolan was sold at 76.5 mg approved for human use, a dose corresponding to 50 mg of trenbolone, similar to the 50 mg of Organon's Deca Durabolin. Do you think it would have been approved if, in trials and during use, potential users (men, women, and children) had experienced the severe side effects associated with trenbolone today? The answer is obvious. On the other hand, let's remember that the production of injectables by a pharmaceutical company doesn't use the same temperature as those who produce raw materials at UGL. Pharmaceutical companies, by having a sterile environment, their production process reduces the rate of oxidation that could occur. That said, even so, since trenbolone is so susceptible to oxidation, it will usually present a variable oxidation rate, which will cause greater or lesser side effects, that is, an increased pulse rate, night sweats, a probable mitochondrial uncoupling effect, greater stimulation of the nervous system, greater neurotoxicity, and greater organ toxicity. It is true that oxidized products can promote lipolysis or energy expenditure due to this overstimulation of the nervous system (increase in strength), but not in terms of their anabolic potential.

i tolerate tren extremely well from 400mg-1g a week. i've always used completely clear brewed tren and damn right i felt the power from it.

no bad sides tho i could "feel". neither was my bloodwork looking bad running tren for half a year other than my hdl/ldl getting a little fucked but nothing compared to orals.

never ran dark tren tho.

 

[readalot]

completely clear brewed tren

"Clarity" vs "Color".

What was the color?

 

[dinfar1337]

"Clarity" vs "Color".

What was the color?

worst i had was a little yelow.

mostly i had clear tren. like idk what see-through color is

 

[readalot]

worst i had was a little yelow.

mostly i had clear tren. like idk what see-through color is

Sometimes I dont know if you are messing with me haha.

Clarity and color are two separate characteristics. Of course no one should be using cloudy tren.

Thanks for sharing the color you were using.

 

[Ateam2023]

now i want to toss ALLLL my tren vials away, especially the one i got from devon , since he's probably using eo and reselling chinese oils with his labels, i thought devon was going to be good , but seems to be the opposite, I don't like the dark tren look anyway, it looks like pure poison, lol