MESO-Rx Sponsor Primal Pharma - US Domestic

[SwolieGuacamole]

Not a knock at anyone. But the reviews here are starting to look like SST. “Great communication! Fast shipping!! Discrete!!”

No one cares lol. What do blind test and labs look like. I can ship you olive oil overnight. Is the product claims to be? If you don’t have anything to say directly about the gear itself, reviews should be kept for information that’s actually useful.

Some of us could care less about communication or shipping time. Is the product good, clean and consistent. End of story.

Too many quick, senseless reviews.

 

[Tdeck81]

@SwolieGuacamole
I think it’s helpful in the beginning to show orders are received and shipped in a timely manner. But you’re right at this point more tests need to be posted. I’ll post my labs number once I do them

 

[Photon]

I can ship you olive oil overnight. Is the product claims to be?

In before someone does a taste test.

 

[verylargeshoes]

In before someone does a taste test.

No you weren't.

 

[readalot]

 

[readalot]

Very helpful pics here...

Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Aug 7, 2025

now i want to toss ALLLL my tren vials away, especially the one i got from devon , since he's probably using eo and reselling chinese oils with his labels, i thought devon was going to be good , but seems to be the opposite, I don't like the dark tren look anyway, it looks like pure poison, lol

The Tren A on the left is what I had been using from a homebrewer. The middle is Primal’s Tren A, and the one on the right is Primal’s Tren E. They are all pretty dark but Primal’s Tren A is very dark.

• BamaCrazy

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People need to seriously think about injecting the current "tren" in the UG. I wont be using mine. See recent posts. Colored "tren" aint just tren.

Background:

R

Post in thread 'Tren . . . the nectar of the gods'

Aug 5, 2025

So bumping this. There may be a better thread. If there is let me know.

Anyone gone down the rabbit hole of tren color and the oxidation chemistry upon heating tren raws in oil with O2 headspace? @Type-IIx?

The chemistry is pretty straight forward with conjugated C-C double bonds (I will spare the numbering) reacting to form quinones which are known chromophores.

The rub is these benzoquinone tren derivatives are decently studied in cancer research for their ability to increase ROS and speed up cell death. So my hypothesis is that when you run darkly colored tren you are...

• readalot

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And no this isn't an issue just with Primal. My vials are just the same (other vendor).

Brewing tren at 80 deg C with air headspace makes a bunch of nasty shit you are injecting.

 

[sionnach]

In before someone does a taste test.

Oh does Mike Israetel post here?

 

[BamaCrazy]

Very helpful pics here...

Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Aug 7, 2025

now i want to toss ALLLL my tren vials away, especially the one i got from devon , since he's probably using eo and reselling chinese oils with his labels, i thought devon was going to be good , but seems to be the opposite, I don't like the dark tren look anyway, it looks like pure poison, lol

The Tren A on the left is what I had been using from a homebrewer. The middle is Primal’s Tren A, and the one on the right is Primal’s Tren E. They are all pretty dark but Primal’s Tren A is very dark.

• BamaCrazy

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• 

People need to seriously think about injecting the current "tren" in the UG. I wont be using mine. See recent posts. Colored "tren" aint just tren.

Background:

R

Post in thread 'Tren . . . the nectar of the gods'

Aug 5, 2025

So bumping this. There may be a better thread. If there is let me know.

Anyone gone down the rabbit hole of tren color and the oxidation chemistry upon heating tren raws in oil with O2 headspace? @Type-IIx?

The chemistry is pretty straight forward with conjugated C-C double bonds (I will spare the numbering) reacting to form quinones which are known chromophores.

The rub is these benzoquinone tren derivatives are decently studied in cancer research for their ability to increase ROS and speed up cell death. So my hypothesis is that when you run darkly colored tren you are...

• readalot

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And no this isn't an issue just with Primal. My vials are just the same (other vendor).

Brewing tren at 80 deg C with air headspace makes a bunch of nasty shit you are injecting.

Within 2 weeks of 75-175mg a week my BP increased, my AST and ALT went from the 20’s to almost 100, and my sleep quality went to shit. My GGT was fine but that was enough for me to tap out quick.

 

[Primal_Pharma]

@readalot

FWIW I went ahead and asked for this from our main source. Not the most detailed but he said he will get me a much more in-depth analysis tomorrow, so I will be posting that as soon as I get it. Thoughts?

 

[powdered_toast_man]

It’s my understanding MESO is a harm reduction website

It is, nominally. What seems to be happening in reality is that readalot (and a few other stuck up members that obviously think they are too smart for everyone here) stays logged on 24/7 and just fills every thread with 100 posts of bullshit everyday. I put him on ignore, but he provokes so much shit throwing and worthless comments that it really is impossible to get away from the guy.

 

[readalot]

@readalot

FWIW I went ahead and asked for this from our main source. Not the most detailed but he said he will get me a much more in-depth analysis tomorrow, so I will be posting that as soon as I get it. Thoughts?

Post in thread 'Source QC and C of A (do you have one?)'

Jan 13, 2024

Seems like these questions also get into how you assess raw purity and the result you share. You must have some confidence your HPLC method is a stability indicating method for each raw you analyze (no co-elution, peak overlap, etc). How do you define purity in the raw AAS test you offer?

amount of detected compound compared to the standard / weighted amount of the sample

Of course, proper separation with orthogonal confirmation is a must.

It should be noticed the usual way the Chinese QA/QC places, or MZ Biolabs take is to calculate purity from peak area %, which is called area...

• janoshik

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This post plus related ones in this thread. You got no idea the real purity if the raws source is using area based method.

Honestly, the COA looks sketchy as hell. But appreciate you sharing. Ask Jano to test and compare to the "COA".

Post in thread 'Source QC and C of A (do you have one?)'

Jan 25, 2024

Would be an instructive tool to allow customers to understand the risk involved in trusting area count purity metrics.

I just tell people if their testosterone was 95% table salt, area normalisation would show it at 100% pure anyway.

Easier to imagine, less work for me.

• janoshik

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[Tdeck81]

It is, nominally

I totally agree it isnt perfect. But it’s better than a few other places I landed before. I assume it’s reasonable to only expect so much given the legality of everything

few other stuck up members that obviously think they are too smart for everyone here

There are a few guys that are absolutely relentless and I do question the motives of some more than others. I completely understand it gets old to some degree but I try to keep an open mind. I think some are genuinely trying to do right? And truth be told I’m learning a ton by some of the points raised and argued, by vendors and members. If I’m being fooled, shame on me for not being more cynical.

It would be nice if there were more voices and opinions given to the debates though. I see some other guys that appear to be knowledgeable chime in periodically so I know they’re out there. I’m guessing they already paid their dues and have fallen to the background for now? Idk?

 

[Primal_Pharma]

Post in thread 'Source QC and C of A (do you have one?)'

Jan 13, 2024

Seems like these questions also get into how you assess raw purity and the result you share. You must have some confidence your HPLC method is a stability indicating method for each raw you analyze (no co-elution, peak overlap, etc). How do you define purity in the raw AAS test you offer?

amount of detected compound compared to the standard / weighted amount of the sample

Of course, proper separation with orthogonal confirmation is a must.

It should be noticed the usual way the Chinese QA/QC places, or MZ Biolabs take is to calculate purity from peak area %, which is called area...

• janoshik

• 
• 

This post plus related ones in this thread. You got no idea the real purity if the raws source is using area based method.

Honestly, the COA looks sketchy as hell. But appreciate you sharing. Ask Jano to test and compare to the "COA".

Post in thread 'Source QC and C of A (do you have one?)'

Jan 25, 2024

Would be an instructive tool to allow customers to understand the risk involved in trusting area count purity metrics.

I just tell people if their testosterone was 95% table salt, area normalisation would show it at 100% pure anyway.

Easier to imagine, less work for me.

• janoshik

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It looks like a COA a 6th grader whipped up. But figured I’d still share it and keep the convo going. Better than nothing IMO. I’ll post the more detailed one tomorrow once I get it and tag. Also adding this to the list for Jano

 

[Whistles77]

It is, nominally. What seems to be happening in reality is that readalot (and a few other stuck up members that obviously think they are too smart for everyone here) stays logged on 24/7 and just fills every thread with 100 posts of bullshit everyday. I put him on ignore, but he provokes so much shit throwing and worthless comments that it really is impossible to get away from the guy.

I'm now pretty sure that my exposure to readalot and a few other stuck up members has at least once saved my stupid ass from pinning shit that only deserved to be in the trash. Although they might be a bit much at times, i hugely value what they bring and what i learn, even if i don't want to see it all the time. Sometimes readalot is like a dog with a bone. But, all i can say is. Who's a good boy readalot? You are, yes you are.

 

[Oldhand]

There are a few guys that are absolutely relentless and I do question the motives of some more than others. I completely understand it gets old to some degree but I try to keep an open mind. I think some are genuinely trying to do right? And truth be told I’m learning a ton by some of the points raised and argued, by vendors and members. If I’m being fooled, shame on me for not being more cynical.

I agree, we need more of this.

Thank goodness for those people too. I’ve been in this game for about 20 years. I can tell you tales about when Naps was actually good, and also when it fell.

The people giving sources a hard time run the bad sources out and also give the good sources the opportunities to stand out. The good sources make money, the bad sources don’t, and we don’t get ripped off. This is necessary.

 

[powdered_toast_man]

There are a few guys that are absolutely relentless and I do question the motives of some more than others. I completely understand it gets old to some degree but I try to keep an open mind. I think some are genuinely trying to do right? And truth be told I’m learning a ton by some of the points raised and argued, by vendors and members. If I’m being fooled, shame on me for not being more cynical.

10-20 years ago, this website was probably much more valueable for that when cycle design was an issue for most people. Now the "harm-reduction" is pointing out that a UGL isn't a pharmaceutical company. Great, fantastic, thanks so much. Keep posting the same thing in every thread 100 times a day.

 

[powdered_toast_man]

There are a few guys that are absolutely relentless and I do question the motives of some more than others. I completely understand it gets old to some degree but I try to keep an open mind. I think some are genuinely trying to do right? And truth be told I’m learning a ton by some of the points raised and argued, by vendors and members. If I’m being fooled, shame on me for not being more cynical.

10-20 years ago, this website was probably much more valueable for that when cycle design was an issue for most people. Now the "harm-reduction" is pointing out that a UGL isn't a pharmaceutical company. Great, fantastic, thanks so much. Keep posting the same thing in every thread 100 times a d

I agree, we need more of this.

Thank goodness for those people too. I’ve been in this game for about 20 years. I can tell you tales about when Naps was actually good, and also when it fell.

The people giving sources a hard time run the bad sources out and also give the good sources the opportunities to stand out. The good sources make money, the bad sources don’t, and we don’t get ripped off. This is necessary.

Which source got run out in 2025?

 

[powdered_toast_man]

I'm now pretty sure that my exposure to readalot and a few other stuck up members has at least once saved my stupid ass from pinning shit that only deserved to be in the trash. Although they might be a bit much at times, i hugely value what they bring and what i learn, even if i don't want to see it all the time. Sometimes readalot is like a dog with a bone. But, all i can say is. Who's a good boy readalot? You are, yes you are.

Like what kind of shit did readalot personally stop you from pinning?

 

[BigDadd7]

Like what kind of shit did readalot personally stop you from pinning?

He no longer boofs questionable oils

 

[Whistles77]

Like what kind of shit did readalot personally stop you from pinning?

He didn't "personally" stage an intervention or anything. He over the course of multiple posts and probing sources gave me the tools to evaluate myself.

In this case, it was some unknown shit that a sponsored meso source sent me and then bullshitted about. What the compound was i've no idea, but it wasn't what i ordered. It went in the trash where it belonged.

The tl:dr is that the hyper critical people in this forum offer alternative perspectives that can add a lot of value, raise question, help people learn and make better choices. I don't think that's difficult for people to see, but i'm also sure that some might be annoyed and just want to here that a source sent a vial with a quick TA. Each adds their own bits of value.