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BamaCrazy said:
The Tren A on the left is what I had been using from a homebrewer. The middle is Primal’s Tren A, and the one on the right is Primal’s Tren E. They are all pretty dark but Primal’s Tren A is very dark.

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zzzz said:
Primal Pharma sent these two images (I cropped dead space):
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Can you comment on your tren ester brews temps/time?

Same raws above per ester?

Is color a sole function of raws or combo of raws and brew procedure?

What's lightest color you can go? Room temp?

Comments on oxidation/degradation products and how to minimize?

Thanks?
 
readalot said:
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Can you comment on your tren ester brews temps/time?

Same raws above per ester?

Is color a sole function of raws or combo of raws and brew procedure?

What's lightest color you can go? Room temp?

Comments on oxidation/degradation products and how to minimize?

Thanks?
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Not going to go too in-depth but will answer the best we can.

Brew temps are run on the lower side to keep oxidation down and help maintain that lighter color. Same raws across each ester, but color can still vary a bit depending on both raw material and brew procedure.

Color isn’t just about the raws, it’s a combo of raw quality, handling, and how the brew is run. Even with identical raws, pushing temps too high or for too long will darken it.

What you’re seeing here is pretty close to the lightest we can get without compromising sterility.

On oxidation/degradation - Lower brew temps, minimal exposure to air, and tight control on storage all help keep the product stable and looking fresh.

Also planning to send this exact Tren E raw to Jano for testing to see where it comes in at.
 
Primal_Pharma said:
Not going to go too in-depth but will answer the best we can.

Brew temps are run on the lower side to keep oxidation down and help maintain that lighter color. Same raws across each ester, but color can still vary a bit depending on both raw material and brew procedure.

Color isn’t just about the raws, it’s a combo of raw quality, handling, and how the brew is run. Even with identical raws, pushing temps too high or for too long will darken it.

What you’re seeing here is pretty close to the lightest we can get without compromising sterility.

On oxidation/degradation - Lower brew temps, minimal exposure to air, and tight control on storage all help keep the product stable and looking fresh.

Also planning to send this exact Tren E raw to Jano for testing to see where it comes in at.
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If you have righteous color we can take a vial along with a sibling vial that has been thermally violated (dark orange or brown, rough it up) and run HPLC/GCMS on both.

Would like to identify degradation products and show people if the idea is full of shit.

If you want to participate join the funding thread.

Thank you for all the info! Appreciate it!

The thread has switched gears.

About halfway through we start talking dark tren.

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Thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

** Starting a thread after there was some interest from initial post, and we have been kicking this idea around for a bit. **

What do you say we all start a special projects MESO fund for testing? Idea is to push the envelope beyond standard tests done today to help answer outstanding questions like bioactivity of UG GH.

For any GH "special" testing, I pitch we do it as a group to help build community here at MESO. I will commit $500 (and some product as part of the testing if we do head to head comparisons). Thoughts?

My concern at this point is Jano's bandwidth and people sending in...
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dcfreak said:
Anyone else having this issue? I was just about to order some
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I’m on week 4 of the test e 250. I’m actually taking it 3x per week. I’m also on the deca 250 3x per week. 200 Dhb and 350 masteron e. Everything really started hitting this week. Switched from Tbol to dbol. I’m not having the pip issues these other guys are talking about. The guy that supposedly grew a piece of fruit on his glute, did not mean for that to rhyme, went awol. Someone needs to send out the Banana Brigade for a special ops recon on the missing victim. I wish no harm on anyone but I sense a little foul play could be happening here. Idk… Ive ran a shit ton of test e at 400 mgs and had no problem with handeling the bit of extra pain. Thats the trade of to get the extra gear into your system. You need the high mg oils.
 
Just received my test c 250mg 20ml pack was secured would suggest a box like few others mentioned but pretty well wrapped and did first pin will report back if any pip
 
verylargeshoes said:
I don't know if the ability to buy test in oil is going to become a problem, but right now as a personal use scale buyer, I can't find test cyp or enanthate raws. Test Prop all day long, test phenylprop, even test iso from one seller. Apparently some stock just came through in the past week or two and sold out quickly. So that's probably not a great sign.
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At some point, gotta fall back on: test is test

If some adaptation is necessary, so be it
 
Primal_Pharma said:
Not going to go too in-depth but will answer the best we can.

Brew temps are run on the lower side to keep oxidation down and help maintain that lighter color. Same raws across each ester, but color can still vary a bit depending on both raw material and brew procedure.

Color isn’t just about the raws, it’s a combo of raw quality, handling, and how the brew is run. Even with identical raws, pushing temps too high or for too long will darken it.

What you’re seeing here is pretty close to the lightest we can get without compromising sterility.

On oxidation/degradation - Lower brew temps, minimal exposure to air, and tight control on storage all help keep the product stable and looking fresh.

Also planning to send this exact Tren E raw to Jano for testing to see where it comes in at.
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So whats the deal with this?
Within less than 3 weeks of you opening shop?

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Pretty big difference in color from my first order to my second order. Now I know color doesn't gauge quality u can have super dark tren or super light tren depends on the raws and the brew plus other things. I'm Gunna hold back not trying to make any accusations. I'm only four pins in on the test cyp 200mg so two weeks. We'll see how bloods come back. Kinda makes me even more curious to test the lighter first one I got, grabbed some more eq and deca as well.

I'm Gunna guess that this was a new brew, batch numbers would be extremely nice and helpful going forward. I haven't sent anything...
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Photon said:
So whats the deal with this?
Within less than 3 weeks of you opening shop?

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MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'

Pretty big difference in color from my first order to my second order. Now I know color doesn't gauge quality u can have super dark tren or super light tren depends on the raws and the brew plus other things. I'm Gunna hold back not trying to make any accusations. I'm only four pins in on the test cyp 200mg so two weeks. We'll see how bloods come back. Kinda makes me even more curious to test the lighter first one I got, grabbed some more eq and deca as well.

I'm Gunna guess that this was a new brew, batch numbers would be extremely nice and helpful going forward. I haven't sent anything...
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Already explained this in my post above, brother. Color can still shift from vial to vial based on differences in the raw material itself and how the batch runs. Tren is especially prone to oxidation, so even slight changes in brew temp, time, or air exposure can darken it. That’s just the nature of the compound.
 
Primal_Pharma said:
Already explained this in my post above, brother. Color can still shift from vial to vial based on differences in the raw material itself and how the batch runs. Tren is especially prone to oxidation, so even slight changes in brew temp, time, or air exposure can darken it. That’s just the nature of the compound.
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Are they the same batch?
 
Photon said:
So an untested batch.

And you are saying that
You used the same brew process, heat, raws but it ended up with a completely different color.
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Brother, Tren doesn’t magically come out the exact same shade every single time like it’s paint from Home Depot. Same raws, same general process, but this is one of the most oxidation-prone compounds we deal with. Even tiny shifts in temp, time, or air exposure during the run can change the shade.
 
Primal_Pharma said:
Brother, Tren doesn’t magically come out the exact same shade every single time like it’s paint from Home Depot. Same raws, same general process, but this is one of the most oxidation-prone compounds we deal with. Even tiny shifts in temp, time, or air exposure during the run can change the shade.
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Oh i totally get that, i just wanted confirmation on your process.
A yes or no is completely fine with me.

I'll take it as a Yes.
 
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