Not sure bro… I’m already bald as an aircraft carrier runway … and my back is like Chewbacca on Juice… I was taking Test and DHB via Topical and 50-100mg Proviron for 5-6 months … it was awesome … definitely tanked my E2 though
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RockyP
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Not at all. Full head of hair no signs of any loss. Weird genetic shit. I wish my HDL was so resistant to the impact of PEDs. I’d trade that for my hair any day.
BamaCrazy
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I think it still comes down to whether you are genetically predisposed to male pattern hair loss. My DHT is regularly between 100-200 and I have not experienced any hair loss.
Photon
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What were your T levels with that DHT?
RockyP
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Total T was 1700. Ive since switched to injectable. I use the leftover cream as a preworkout
Photon
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What was the transdermal base dosed at? and how would you compare it to an injectable dosing?
Ive got versapenn transdermal base on hand, was going to use it for TNE PWO but changed my mind because i think the absorption rate is really low..~20-40%?
Tdeck81
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@malfeasance
If we dismiss the initial study because of the physiological androgen variance then wouldn’t the second study be moot also?
I understand nandrolone and GH work on different receptors/pathways, but regardless, the studies still pertains directly to the hypothalamus. I Googled IGF receptors of rats vs humans and found they are very similar, but different due to “species specific mechanisms”. How different? No clue.
Anyway, is it reasonable to extrapolate that deleterious effects of nandrolone could be offset via a GH regiment? I’m sure many will utilize the study as justification for using the compounds whether it’s reasonable or not
If we dismiss the initial study because of the physiological androgen variance then wouldn’t the second study be moot also?
I understand nandrolone and GH work on different receptors/pathways, but regardless, the studies still pertains directly to the hypothalamus. I Googled IGF receptors of rats vs humans and found they are very similar, but different due to “species specific mechanisms”. How different? No clue.
Anyway, is it reasonable to extrapolate that deleterious effects of nandrolone could be offset via a GH regiment? I’m sure many will utilize the study as justification for using the compounds whether it’s reasonable or not
RockyP
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At the time of the bloods the dosage I was taking was 100 mg twice daily. The labs were drawn 5 hours after applying (per doc's instructions). I had not used a cream before and was very skeptical but the doc told me that 95+% of his patients preferred the cream over the injections due to convenience. It's apparently a very high potency compounded cream, and the numbers didn't lie.
Interestingly, when I was first titrating the dosage, my total T was only 750 or so on the 100 mg applied twice daily. The doc asked me how i was feeling and I said better than baseline (test was under 300 prior to starting HRT), but still room for improvement. So be bumped me up to 150 mg twice daily and on that dosage my Total T was 2200 (didn't test DHT at that time). So I backed off on that since my E2 was 100 (though i didn't have any discernible E2 sides).
As far as how I would compare it, I don't "feel" any different really, though on paper my blood levels are more stable. I will be getting another round of bloodwork in 4-6 weeks after I phase out the cream and reach a steady state on my Test / Primo combo.
How do you like Versapenn compared to other topical carriers ( Phlojel Ultra , Iron Legion Salvo,etc)
Photon
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Apologies for hijacking lol. i shall not reply further
I have not used it, after finding out the absorption rate is so low. I'd need 500mg+ of TNE just for 100mg injection. Look below
So 150 2x a day was 2200.
Per below, Dirthand was at 7000+ after a 100TNE shot.
So to get the same T, i'd reckon you need 150x4=600
Which puts the absorption rate slightly below 20% for transdermal vs inj :/
I have not used it, after finding out the absorption rate is so low. I'd need 500mg+ of TNE just for 100mg injection. Look below
So 150 2x a day was 2200.
Per below, Dirthand was at 7000+ after a 100TNE shot.
So to get the same T, i'd reckon you need 150x4=600
Which puts the absorption rate slightly below 20% for transdermal vs inj :/
RockyP
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Yup - it's not ideal - hence why i switched - it's also a bit messy.Apologies for hijacking lol. i shall not reply further
I have not used it, after finding out the absorbtion rate is so low. I'd need 300-400mg of TNE just for 100mg injection.
So 150 2x a day was 2200.
Per below, Dirthand was at 7000+ after a 100TNE shot.
So to get the same T, i'd reckon you need 150x4=600
Which puts the absorption rate slightly below 20% for transdermal vs inj :/
RockyP
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Yes that was another drawback - residue on skin and clothing.
malfeasance
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Yeah, I am not dismissing it.
I do not even know if there is a difference in androgen receptors in that area o the brain.
It is a question.
It may be reasonable to extrapolate those results to me, but it may not. I simply do not have enough information from that study to conclude that I am going to be a drooling idiot early in life because Deca gave me muscles.
Tdeck81
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Me either. When starting the journey I assumed there would be more definitive answers than I’ve found so far. Especially regarding test, nandrolone, and gh since they are used medicinally.
malfeasance
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I always have lots of questions. Just a curious person.
RockyP
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If I'm not mistaken, I believe the exact mechanism of action of acetaminophen is also not clearly / totally understood.
malfeasance
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I should add that I have been told this is "pretty fucking annoying."
Tdeck81
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I get it. It always boils down to risk v. reward. Especially when the compounds aren’t essential to wellness and health in the way we are utilizing them.
Tdeck81
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I get it. I’ve always been inquisitive. Not too bright but always curious.
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