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readalot said:
That would be a great thread if folks could be disciplined and run the blood work like a clinical trial as best they could. The mental stuff is harder to document. Then there is the "cough"

I am going to get a baseline with the TRA 75 HR if I get my order in on time.
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The “Meso Clinical Trials of ‘25”, where 16 gymbros collectively cycled trenbolone of various hues. In the end, all still turned out to be basket cases.
 
justanoob said:
Sorry this thread moves quick and I haven’t had a lot of time to catch up with it. Is the dark tren being sent out for testing or something?
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Sorta. Tren project starts about halfway in.

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Thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

** Starting a thread after there was some interest from initial post, and we have been kicking this idea around for a bit. **

What do you say we all start a special projects MESO fund for testing? Idea is to push the envelope beyond standard tests done today to help answer outstanding questions like bioactivity of UG GH.

For any GH "special" testing, I pitch we do it as a group to help build community here at MESO. I will commit $500 (and some product as part of the testing if we do head to head comparisons). Thoughts?

My concern at this point is Jano's bandwidth and people sending in...
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KapnKrunch said:
Let's get that Labor Day Sale going.
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Give Up Reaction GIF
 
sionnach said:
I thought I had it bookmarked and lost it, but was reading something the other day about "the cough" being from ricinoleic acid, which is most commonly found in castor oil, but can also come from ergot, a fungus that can grow on other grains and seeds used to make oils used for injectable AAS.
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I've still yet to hear an explanation for Tren cough that I've found personally compelling. I've used AAS for over 20 years, in fact my first ever experience with any compound was with Tren Acetate in the form of finaplix pellets. I was too young, and a bit scared of needles back then, so I did a method I found on one of the old discussion forums; ground up the pellets, mixed them with microwave warmed DMSO gel, applied it to the tops of my feet, wrapped them in saran wrap and then an ace bandage, and slept with it on my foot overnight. It seems so ridiculous looking back on it, but it did work pretty darn well from what I recall, other than smelling like garlic the whole time, and tasting garlic every night.

Anyhow, fast forward some and I was doing the home brew injectable route with Finaplix, and sometimes component TH, and had smartened up a bit by added in testosterone to my "cycles". The Tren cough was something I was very familiar with. It literally felt like Russian roulette with every injection. Due to having nearly unlimited access to it, and being young and stupid, I did some insane things with Tren. While I won't go into too much detail as it's a bit embarrassing, on more than one occasion I would take over 1g of Tren in one sitting(4 syringes full of 3.5ml of 75mg/ml Tren), and several grams a week for periods of time throughout my 20's. When people brag about high dose use, I typically cringe a little, so understand this is not an attempt to brag because all it shows is that I'm stupid and since I never became a pro, it's even more pathetic. It's like "you took all that and still look mediocre?".

I'm getting to my point. I've used Tren for a long time, and here's my experience with the cough. I've never had the cough from any other compound, regardless of carrier oil. When I'm taking Tren, I've usually used Acetate, and typically inject EOD or ED. My cough frequency is anywhere between 10-20% of injections with Tren in the syringe. The percentage of Tren in the syringe vs other compounds doesn't seem to matter. A period of time sticks out to me in particular where I was injecting Tren every day, and would get the cough an average of somewhere between 1 to 2 times a week. This went on for quite some time, maybe 2 months, before I switched to an entirely new source for my Tren. This was a source that brews relatively light, very optically clear, Tren. After switching, I never coughed again. Ever. I know Tren, and this was definitely the real deal and was giving me what I expected of it, save for the cough. I've since continued this sources Tren, as well as an additional sources Tren that is also new to me, for maybe 100 or more injections, and still, I have yet to get so much as a tickle in my throat from either. I know this is anecdotal, but for me personally, it's undeniable that there has got to be something about this Tren in how it was brewed that makes it lack a certain something that was triggering the cough for me. I'm exceptionally curious as to what it could be. Stepping back, I'd totally understand people saying my two new sources are fake, but they're both highly respected sources here.
 
AllGoodThings said:
I've still yet to hear an explanation for Tren cough that I've found personally compelling. I've used AAS for over 20 years, in fact my first ever experience with any compound was with Tren Acetate in the form of finaplix pellets. I was too young, and a bit scared of needles back then, so I did a method I found on one of the old discussion forums; ground up the pellets, mixed them with microwave warmed DMSO gel, applied it to the tops of my feet, wrapped them in saran wrap and then an ace bandage, and slept with it on my foot overnight. It seems so ridiculous looking back on it, but it did work pretty darn well from what I recall, other than smelling like garlic the whole time, and tasting garlic every night.

Anyhow, fast forward some and I was doing the home brew injectable route with Finaplix, and sometimes component TH, and had smartened up a bit by added in testosterone to my "cycles". The Tren cough was something I was very familiar with. It literally felt like Russian roulette with every injection. Due to having nearly unlimited access to it, and being young and stupid, I did some insane things with Tren. While I won't go into too much detail as it's a bit embarrassing, on more than one occasion I would take over 1g of Tren in one sitting(4 syringes full of 3.5ml of 75mg/ml Tren), and several grams a week for periods of time throughout my 20's. When people brag about high dose use, I typically cringe a little, so understand this is not an attempt to brag because all it shows is that I'm stupid and since I never became a pro, it's even more pathetic. It's like "you took all that and still look mediocre?".

I'm getting to my point. I've used Tren for a long time, and here's my experience with the cough. I've never had the cough from any other compound, regardless of carrier oil. When I'm taking Tren, I've usually used Acetate, and typically inject EOD or ED. My cough frequency is anywhere between 10-20% of injections with Tren in the syringe. The percentage of Tren in the syringe vs other compounds doesn't seem to matter. A period of time sticks out to me in particular where I was injecting Tren every day, and would get the cough an average of somewhere between 1 to 2 times a week. This went on for quite some time, maybe 2 months, before I switched to an entirely new source for my Tren. This was a source that brews relatively light, very optically clear, Tren. After switching, I never coughed again. Ever. I know Tren, and this was definitely the real deal and was giving me what I expected of it, save for the cough. I've since continued this sources Tren, as well as an additional sources Tren that is also new to me, for maybe 100 or more injections, and still, I have yet to get so much as a tickle in my throat from either. I know this is anecdotal, but for me personally, it's undeniable that there has got to be something about this Tren in how it was brewed that makes it lack a certain something that was triggering the cough for me. I'm exceptionally curious as to what it could be. Stepping back, I'd totally understand people saying my two new sources are fake, but they're both highly respected sources here.
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Thank you sincerely for taking the time to write that. Yeah "light tren is fake", lmao.

DMSO is the shit. Don't be so hard on yourself. I am very curious about the hypothesis that an oxidative derivative of tren is responsible for some negative sides including the cough.
 
AllGoodThings said:
I've still yet to hear an explanation for Tren cough that I've found personally compelling. I've used AAS for over 20 years, in fact my first ever experience with any compound was with Tren Acetate in the form of finaplix pellets. I was too young, and a bit scared of needles back then, so I did a method I found on one of the old discussion forums; ground up the pellets, mixed them with microwave warmed DMSO gel, applied it to the tops of my feet, wrapped them in saran wrap and then an ace bandage, and slept with it on my foot overnight. It seems so ridiculous looking back on it, but it did work pretty darn well from what I recall, other than smelling like garlic the whole time, and tasting garlic every night.

Anyhow, fast forward some and I was doing the home brew injectable route with Finaplix, and sometimes component TH, and had smartened up a bit by added in testosterone to my "cycles". The Tren cough was something I was very familiar with. It literally felt like Russian roulette with every injection. Due to having nearly unlimited access to it, and being young and stupid, I did some insane things with Tren. While I won't go into too much detail as it's a bit embarrassing, on more than one occasion I would take over 1g of Tren in one sitting(4 syringes full of 3.5ml of 75mg/ml Tren), and several grams a week for periods of time throughout my 20's. When people brag about high dose use, I typically cringe a little, so understand this is not an attempt to brag because all it shows is that I'm stupid and since I never became a pro, it's even more pathetic. It's like "you took all that and still look mediocre?".

I'm getting to my point. I've used Tren for a long time, and here's my experience with the cough. I've never had the cough from any other compound, regardless of carrier oil. When I'm taking Tren, I've usually used Acetate, and typically inject EOD or ED. My cough frequency is anywhere between 10-20% of injections with Tren in the syringe. The percentage of Tren in the syringe vs other compounds doesn't seem to matter. A period of time sticks out to me in particular where I was injecting Tren every day, and would get the cough an average of somewhere between 1 to 2 times a week. This went on for quite some time, maybe 2 months, before I switched to an entirely new source for my Tren. This was a source that brews relatively light, very optically clear, Tren. After switching, I never coughed again. Ever. I know Tren, and this was definitely the real deal and was giving me what I expected of it, save for the cough. I've since continued this sources Tren, as well as an additional sources Tren that is also new to me, for maybe 100 or more injections, and still, I have yet to get so much as a tickle in my throat from either. I know this is anecdotal, but for me personally, it's undeniable that there has got to be something about this Tren in how it was brewed that makes it lack a certain something that was triggering the cough for me. I'm exceptionally curious as to what it could be. Stepping back, I'd totally understand people saying my two new sources are fake, but they're both highly respected sources here.
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Bookmarked.

Episode 15 Thank You GIF by Law & Order
 
AllGoodThings said:
I've still yet to hear an explanation for Tren cough that I've found personally compelling. I've used AAS for over 20 years, in fact my first ever experience with any compound was with Tren Acetate in the form of finaplix pellets. I was too young, and a bit scared of needles back then, so I did a method I found on one of the old discussion forums; ground up the pellets, mixed them with microwave warmed DMSO gel, applied it to the tops of my feet, wrapped them in saran wrap and then an ace bandage, and slept with it on my foot overnight. It seems so ridiculous looking back on it, but it did work pretty darn well from what I recall, other than smelling like garlic the whole time, and tasting garlic every night.

Anyhow, fast forward some and I was doing the home brew injectable route with Finaplix, and sometimes component TH, and had smartened up a bit by added in testosterone to my "cycles". The Tren cough was something I was very familiar with. It literally felt like Russian roulette with every injection. Due to having nearly unlimited access to it, and being young and stupid, I did some insane things with Tren. While I won't go into too much detail as it's a bit embarrassing, on more than one occasion I would take over 1g of Tren in one sitting(4 syringes full of 3.5ml of 75mg/ml Tren), and several grams a week for periods of time throughout my 20's. When people brag about high dose use, I typically cringe a little, so understand this is not an attempt to brag because all it shows is that I'm stupid and since I never became a pro, it's even more pathetic. It's like "you took all that and still look mediocre?".

I'm getting to my point. I've used Tren for a long time, and here's my experience with the cough. I've never had the cough from any other compound, regardless of carrier oil. When I'm taking Tren, I've usually used Acetate, and typically inject EOD or ED. My cough frequency is anywhere between 10-20% of injections with Tren in the syringe. The percentage of Tren in the syringe vs other compounds doesn't seem to matter. A period of time sticks out to me in particular where I was injecting Tren every day, and would get the cough an average of somewhere between 1 to 2 times a week. This went on for quite some time, maybe 2 months, before I switched to an entirely new source for my Tren. This was a source that brews relatively light, very optically clear, Tren. After switching, I never coughed again. Ever. I know Tren, and this was definitely the real deal and was giving me what I expected of it, save for the cough. I've since continued this sources Tren, as well as an additional sources Tren that is also new to me, for maybe 100 or more injections, and still, I have yet to get so much as a tickle in my throat from either. I know this is anecdotal, but for me personally, it's undeniable that there has got to be something about this Tren in how it was brewed that makes it lack a certain something that was triggering the cough for me. I'm exceptionally curious as to what it could be. Stepping back, I'd totally understand people saying my two new sources are fake, but they're both highly respected sources here.
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I have a blend of TNE/Trenbase.
It's like 100% Tren cough for me.
Homebrew, no G.
 
readalot said:
Thank you sincerely for taking the time to write that. Yeah "light tren is fake", lmao.

DMSO is the shit. Don't be so hard on yourself. I am very curious about the hypothesis that an oxidative derivative of tren is responsible for negative sides including the cough.
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readalot said:
Bookmarked.

Episode 15 Thank You GIF by Law & Order
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Another thing of note is that even after many years of tren abuse, my transthoracic echo was totally clean, with all structures being normal size and thickness, including my left ventricle, and a 70% ejection fraction.
 
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