initialize
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Silly question gents -- but if you're on a cycle that tanks your lipids, do you immediately stop the cycle (even if you have a few weeks left) or do you just chug along? Lol
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Which Steroids are the easiest on YOUR Lipids? (Poll)
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RockyP
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Up to you - to be honest, once the dosages start to creep up (if they do), your HDL is likely going to drop on cycle no matter what. I would expect / plan for it and set your expectations accordingly. Some folks don't bother testing lipids on cycle (if they already know what to expect / have run the compounds before), and just know there will be an end point and that they will clean it up afterwards. HDL does tend to bounce back quickly when you remove the offending agents. My personal neurosis is trying to find a medium of getting results with low dosages and hopefully keeping my HDL head above water while on cycle. But irrespective of HDL, you've got to keep your LDL as low as possible, which luckily we have many tools for.
Mastedon
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This right here. I've been learning a lot here and this is where I'm at as well.
RockyP
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I’m currently cutting on 225 test / 150 primo (and some GH, GLP-1, peptides, etc). Plan is for bloods in about a month to see what primo is doing to my lipids if anything. I also changed my statin from rosuva to Pita. If everything looks good I may bump the Pita to 4 mg and perhaps add zetia to see how low I can get my LDL. Once the cut is over (and assuming lipids and other bloods look good), my plan is to push to dosages up just a little to see the impact of lipids. Something like 300 test / 200 primo. And just repeat that slowly until I see any impact. To be truthful at my age I don’t see myself really “bulking” again. Just maintenance phases where I fill out and just cut more. Once I get a feel for my optimal test / primo ratios and how they impact bloodwork, I plan to do the same with masteron. Start test 200 / mast 150, test bloods, etc. the caveat is that if I’m very satisfied with things I’m not going to increase the dosages just for the hell of it. I also plan to do the same for low dose anavar on training days. If all of it goes to hell I’ll just run low dose nandrolone on and off with my test.
xrayphoton13
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I always wonder why it takes 3-4 weeks for the sleep sweats considering tren a is a short ester.
Trades
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or why it takes another week after pinning for the sweats to stop.
i've only had two small runs with tren and both times I threw in the towel halfway through week 3. i'm wondering how 2 weeks on, 1 week off for a couple rounds would go...or if it would be a recipe for unwanted acne
RockyP
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What dose / ester were you running? I get zero side effects from 10 mg Ace or 15-20 mg enanthate daily.
Trades
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tren-a....week 1 x 10mg/day, week 2 x 15mg/day, week 3 x 20mg/day and that's when the sweats came on. maybe i just need to back it off and maybe that resolves it
RockyP
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10 a day can be plenty for a lot of people (me included).
demal
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what are the main dangers you should worry about when using pitavastatin and ezetimibe year round?
RockyP
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The responses are very interesting. It really comes down to our own genetics. I was fearful of primo but am running it now (low dose 225 mg) with 225 mg test and lipids are fine. Idk what it would be at higher dosages.
Ghoul
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Some may argue this, but it really is possible to lower lipids with drugs that cause no side effects whatsoever.
There are no risks with either of those two meds that increase over time, unlike, say, rosuvastatin where new onset diabetes increases with time of use, or even bempedoic acid (known for not inducing sides), causing increased risk of tendon injury after years of use once you hit 70+.
If pita and eze don't cause sides in the first month, from the data I've seen, they almost certainly never will.
RockyP
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very nice. What cycle are you running that hates your HDL?
thanks for sharing
Mastedon
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The 27 HDL is actually me off cycle (well 300 test).
The highest I've ever seen my HDL at is 32.
The 17 HDL was 300 Test, 300 Primo and 100 TrenA.
RockyP
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I’m in the same boat. 40 HDL is high times for me. Are you doing cardio? Diet is clean?
Did you start all these compounds at same time? Just wondering if it’s possible to tease out if perhaps the tren is the culprit?
I know you said you’re supplementing with olive oil have you tried high potency fish oils? I know lots of this is genetic, and I also know that chasing HDL hasn’t been proven to help with anything. Just need to pummel that ApoB. No mercy!
Ghoul
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Bro, top tier results!
Ran through the American Heart Asspciation calculator, you have a 2% 10 year risk of cardiovascular disease. That's better than 95% of 50 year old men in the US.
Don't sweat HDL. It's not an independent risk factor and mostly matters in the context of high LDL.
Most labs consider LDL results below 40 unreliable (as in, LDL might be be even lower but "Assay noise" makes it seem higher) , but no one cares, because once you're below 45, your risk from cholesterol becomes clinically insignificant.
Mastedon
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Not much but cardio 3x weekly at 20min of HR over 130. I need to do better and as the weather cools off my cardio motivation increases.
Diet is clean. When I'm running at a deficit it's really only whey protein, chicken or fish, 2 eggs...fruit, psyllium husk for fiber, greens....really good olive oil.
In a surplus I swap chicken and fish for deer, elk or grass fed beef.
I eased into the Tren lol so hard to tease it out...frankly I've never seen results as quickly as I did and on such a low dose. Part of me wanted to hate it but dang does it work.
I take about 6 grams of Thorne EPA and 2gr of DHA. I really want that prescription fish oil Vascepa but I don't think my doc would prescribe it at this point unless I showed him old labs and he probably wouldn't go for that and would make me get new ones just for him. Also the results I'm getting now are pretty good so not sure if worth the cost.
Yep! Pummel that ApoB!!
