Test/EQ/Dbol

[Para_33]

What is your conversion ratio?
e2 cyp xx mg = +xx pg/mL?

Mine personally is Low compared to the 3 dozen clients I’ve seen use this.

Myself 19-20.5pg/ml per 1mg per week divided eod. That’s consistent between valerate and cypionate at doses ranging from 2.4-5.6mg per week.

Most bigger males I’ve seen 27-30’s over 3 subjects. I’ve seen 1 male get 62pg/ml per 1 mg

Most female clients get about 60-65pg/ml per 1mg per week.

All are fully shut down and where testosterone conversion to e2 was not a factor since total T was 30ng/dl or less.

 

[Photon]

Mine personally is Low compared to the 3 dozen clients I’ve seen use this.

Myself 19-20.5pg/ml per 1mg per week divided eod. That’s consistent between valerate and cypionate at doses ranging from 2.4-5.6mg per week.

Most bigger males I’ve seen 27-30’s over 3 subjects. I’ve seen 1 male get 62pg/ml per 1 mg

Most female clients get about 60-65pg/ml per 1mg per week.

All are fully shut down and where testosterone conversion to e2 was not a factor since total T was 30ng/dl or less.

This is my 2nd week injecting, will do 2 more weeks before pulling labs lol. I was considering to do 25mg of dbol a day but I don't really know how to dial it in since it doesn't turn up on any test.

Post in thread 'USA Discounted Blood work'

Sep 3, 2025

E2 on 1g Test/EQ


80mg/week of Trest D seems to work.
I don't know where that puts me on E2 tho, since Trest E2 doesn't appear on labs.

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[Para_33]

This is my 2nd week injecting, will do 2 more weeks before pulling labs lol. I was considering to do 25mg of dbol a day but I don't really know how to dial it in since it doesn't turn up on any test.

Post in thread 'USA Discounted Blood work'

Sep 3, 2025

E2 on 1g Test/EQ


80mg/week of Trest D seems to work.
I don't know where that puts me on E2 tho, since Trest E2 doesn't appear on labs.

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Yea I’ve seen this with eq is common. Luckily with injevtable e2 the ai effect isn’t any longer relevant.

Ran 3g boldenone cyp +3.5mg e cyp per week. Also don’t 1g primo 1g eq + 3.5 mg e cyp

My e2 dose doesn’t need to change since what you inject is what you get. The ai effect of primo and eq no longer matters.

 

[Photon]

Yea I’ve seen this with eq is common. Luckily with injevtable e2 the ai effect isn’t any longer relevant.

Ran 3g boldenone cyp +3.5mg e cyp per week. Also don’t 1g primo 1g eq + 3.5 mg e cyp

My e2 dose doesn’t need to change since what you inject is what you get. The ai effect of primo and eq no longer matters.

Have u tried running dbol instead?
What do you reckon is a comparable dbol dose to e2 cyp?

 

[Para_33]

Have u tried running dbol instead?
What do you reckon is a comparable dbol dose to e2 cyp?

I have but my personal take is that I don’t prefer it because to go with dbol or ment mean the risk not knowing what my e2 actually is.

When I can take estradiol cypionate Im. Not have 17aa imposed liver toxicity. And have bioindentical e2 and set my level of e2 to be the same level I’d keep it with a test base

 

[Sampei]

All of these above I’ve used.

Cypionate is my preferred- valerate works fine for me too.

There is specific advantages to running this this way. As more people try it, I’m happy to see it’s catching on more and more. I’ve had people report to me this gives them back the honey moon phase of trt and or cycling.

Dhb +e2 cypionate I believe is best ester and drug choice.

Dhb+nandorlone +e2

Dhb+tren+e2

Dhb+injectable yk11+e2.

These are the killer combos

Make sure the dhb is 80mg/ml or less. Many do fine on 100mg/ml but many don’t. And I’ve demonstrated this is what is responsible for the reports of bloodwork toxicity systemic inflammation jacked alt/ast/ggt hs crp etc.

I’ve run a 7 month experiment showing this does happen in me when dhb is too strong. But disappears when reduced to 80mg/ml with same exact materials. Sustained for 4 months too, labs at 3-4 week intervals.

I used boldenone cypionate to demonstrate this same thing at 2 different concentrations. Same phenoma and I suspect this is what test flu is and why some don’t tolerate test 500mg/ml for example

What weekly dosage of DHB?

 

[Para_33]

560-1050mg per week dhb

 

[Para_33]

What weekly dosage of DHB?

Also replicated in 2 other people so far but just started going this. And their labs are showing perfect but I also coached them to get the right concentration dhb.

 

[Photon]

560-1050mg per week dhb

Thata alot of oil to pin.
Are they doing like 3ml for 240mg?

 

[Para_33]

Thata alot of oil to pin.
Are they doing like 3ml for 240mg?

I’m doing that much. My next highest person was 400 something maybe 600

The rest were on the 350-420 range.

And Meh not concerned. I’ve pinned 9.3cc daily with a 10cc syringe and 18g for about 9 weeks lol.

I had 40mg/ml bold cyp lol

 

[Sampei]

560-1050mg per week dhb

That's really a lot of volume of oil of 80mg/ml

I guess this is not for me xD
I'll try those combo without the DHB

 

[Para_33]

200 dhb is like equivalent to 700 eq-test-primo etc. it’s super potent mg per mg. Higher intrinsic efficacy. So not just higher binding affinity- a separate measurement of receptor docking. Longer dwell , and higher intrinsic efficacy.

*This receptor dynamic thing * this is extrapolation to dhb taken from other drugs having the same properties unrelated to androgens, but presumably this applies to Dhb according to me because it is a valid concept but I’ve never seen it measured directly in a lab experiment in any papers. I haven’t checked carefully either. * making this distinction so anyone reading knows this part is informed speculation lol. But not fact as far as I’m aware.

And to take dhb 200mg per week you only need to take 2cc per week. 50mg/ml It’s not bad at all volume wise.

 

[Sampei]

200 dhb is like equivalent to 700 eq-test-primo etc. it’s super potent mg per mg. Higher intrinsic efficacy. So not just higher binding affinity- a separate measurement of receptor docking. Longer dwell , and higher intrinsic efficacy.

*This receptor dynamic thing * this is extrapolation to dhb taken from other drugs having the same properties unrelated to androgens, but presumably this applies to Dhb according to me because it is a valid concept but I’ve never seen it measured directly in a lab experiment in any papers. I haven’t checked carefully either. * making this distinction so anyone reading knows this part is informed speculation lol. But not fact as far as I’m aware.

And to take dhb 200mg per week you only need to take 2cc per week. 50mg/ml It’s not bad at all volume wise.

It's 4cc per week fyi xD at 50mg/ml

 

[Photon]

200 dhb is like equivalent to 700 eq-test-primo etc. it’s super potent mg per mg. Higher intrinsic efficacy. So not just higher binding affinity- a separate measurement of receptor docking. Longer dwell , and higher intrinsic efficacy.

*This receptor dynamic thing * this is extrapolation to dhb taken from other drugs having the same properties unrelated to androgens, but presumably this applies to Dhb according to me because it is a valid concept but I’ve never seen it measured directly in a lab experiment in any papers. I haven’t checked carefully either. * making this distinction so anyone reading knows this part is informed speculation lol. But not fact as far as I’m aware.

And to take dhb 200mg per week you only need to take 2cc per week. 50mg/ml It’s not bad at all volume wise.

Have you tried DHB Ace? (Not cyp)

 

[Para_33]

It's 4cc per week fyi xD at 50mg/ml

Lmao holy shit your right

 

[Para_33]

Have you tried DHB Ace? (Not cyp)

Holy shit that’s a thing ! Never seen it have you ?

 

[Photon]

Holy shit that’s a thing ! Never seen it have you ?

Yea there's still quite abit of raws available.
It scared me away from DHB lol, but after reading your posts I might just bite the bullet and try out cyp.

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Jul 12, 2025

DHB with ACE ester instead of the usual CYP.
Hope someone finds this useful.

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[IndividualMan]

Holy shit that’s a thing ! Never seen it have you ?

DHB ace will make you wanna rip your dick off. the PIP seems to be horrendous. Actual nightmare stuff IMO, cyp is already bad enough for most.

 

[Para_33]

DHB ace will make you wanna rip your dick off. the PIP seems to be horrendous. Actual nightmare stuff IMO, cyp is already bad enough for most.

80mg/ml or 50mg/ml will fully avoid pip with cyp.

It’s due to it being too concentrated for not crystallizing in the muscle.

You’d think it wouldn’t because the muscle is warmer than the room temp vial. And if it holds in the vial it must at body temp. But no because of nucleation points in the muscle like proteins and water. Destabilizes it

 

[LGOP528]

80mg/ml or 50mg/ml will fully avoid pip with cyp.

It’s due to it being too concentrated for not crystallizing in the muscle.

You’d think it wouldn’t because the muscle is warmer than the room temp vial. And if it holds in the vial it must at body temp. But no because of nucleation points in the muscle like proteins and water. Destabilizes it

I have had luck making DHB at 100mg/mL with 50% castor oil and 50% Mct oil.


How are you getting any DHT if you are not running test? If I remember right there is a guy on here that ran Ment only and him not having DHT caused some serious problems.

Have you checked to see if your testosterone is 0?