Test/EQ/Dbol

[Para_33]

I have had luck making DHB at 100mg/mL with 50% castor oil and 50% Mct oil.


How are you getting any DHT if you are not running test? If I remember right there is a guy on here that ran Ment only and him not having DHT caused some serious problems.

Have you checked to see if your testosterone is 0?

Yes my test was 23ng/dl last I checked.

For myself and the several dozen others it didn’t pose an issue. Ment is notoriously tricky to dial in estrogen. Possibly it was that. But everyone is different maybe he needs Dht.

For me and the others who’ve run this couldn’t detect any change going without Dht for years - even when suddenly adding it back through taking testosterone again or even pure Dht base injectable or Dht cream topical.

Speculating here- but maybe once AR activity is at a certain threshold you no longer need the super potent Dht for neural activity.

Like how at 2 grams vs 4 grams of steroids per week people don’t really notice a difference in how they “feel” anymore. It’s just physical gains at that point

 

[Para_33]

Yea there's still quite abit of raws available.
It scared me away from DHB lol, but after reading your posts I might just bite the bullet and try out cyp.

Post in thread 'CNraws, Private source for members only'

Jul 12, 2025

DHB with ACE ester instead of the usual CYP.
Hope someone finds this useful.

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Just make sure it’s 50mg/ml ( for me 80 worked perfectly) 100mg/ml gave me the systemic issues and pip like you hear reported.

For 3 months I ran it like this. All the trashed labs. Hs crp jacked. Ggt jacked(58). Alt/ast jacked( 170s)

As soon as I switched to 80mg/ml over those 3 months all dissapeared I got the best ggt level id gotten to date ( 23) hs crp back to 0.2

 

[newlosand]

Yea I’ve seen this with eq is common. Luckily with injevtable e2 the ai effect isn’t any longer relevant.

Ran 3g boldenone cyp +3.5mg e cyp per week. Also don’t 1g primo 1g eq + 3.5 mg e cyp

My e2 dose doesn’t need to change since what you inject is what you get. The ai effect of primo and eq no longer matters.

 

[Sampei]

Yea I’ve seen this with eq is common. Luckily with injevtable e2 the ai effect isn’t any longer relevant.

Ran 3g boldenone cyp +3.5mg e cyp per week. Also don’t 1g primo 1g eq + 3.5 mg e cyp

My e2 dose doesn’t need to change since what you inject is what you get. The ai effect of primo and eq no longer matters.

You are just copying ppl post or someone logged into his alt and forgot?

 

[Eddie.]

You are just copying ppl post or someone logged into his alt and forgot?

Lol, i had a deja vu reading his post.

 

[IndividualMan]

You are just copying ppl post or someone logged into his alt and forgot?

he is just copying posts, did the same to one of mine.

 

[Sampei]

he is just copying posts, did the same to one of mine.

It's someone with a bot farming posts

 

[Photon]

Yes my test was 23ng/dl last I checked.

For myself and the several dozen others it didn’t pose an issue. Ment is notoriously tricky to dial in estrogen. Possibly it was that. But everyone is different maybe he needs Dht.

For me and the others who’ve run this couldn’t detect any change going without Dht for years - even when suddenly adding it back through taking testosterone again or even pure Dht base injectable or Dht cream topical.

Speculating here- but maybe once AR activity is at a certain threshold you no longer need the super potent Dht for neural activity.

Like how at 2 grams vs 4 grams of steroids per week people don’t really notice a difference in how they “feel” anymore. It’s just physical gains at that point

I wonder if it has something to do with DHB being a DHT derivative. There's a bunch of people planning to do Trest only cycles, Id be really curious what their DHT levels are too. Did you by any chance get DHT labwork while on any of your DHB no test cycle?

 

[Para_33]

I wonder if it has something to do with DHB being a DHT derivative. There's a bunch of people planning to do Trest only cycles, Id be really curious what their DHT levels are too. Did you by any chance get DHT labwork while on any of your DHB no test cycle?

I didn’t get labs for Dht no unfortunately.

I’ve done this no test cycle design for 3 years now so I actually have tried every combination almost of popular stuff. So even when I did nandorlone +e2 or tren+e2 or Ment + e2( with aromasin 25mg daily to crush the methyl e2 so most of my e2 was from the injectable

Tren+nandorlone +e2 I’ve done also

 

[Photon]

I didn’t get labs for Dht no unfortunately.

I’ve done this no test cycle design for 3 years now so I actually have tried every combination almost of popular stuff. So even when I did nandorlone +e2 or tren+e2 or Ment + e2( with aromasin 25mg daily to crush the methyl e2 so most of my e2 was from the injectable

Tren+nandorlone +e2 I’ve done also

The brain does need DHT, so I figured if one needs to supplement e2, it would make sense to also supplement some form of DHT if without a test base. But honestly idk lol

 

[LGOP528]

The brain does need DHT, so I figured if one needs to supplement e2, it would make sense to also supplement some form of DHT if without a test base. But honestly idk lol

I am thinking Ment will shut you all the way down and you do not make any endogenous testosterone to convert to DHT. Where he clearly has some natural production. That is just what is in his blood. He could still have more in tissues converting to DHT.

Nothing makes my balls shrink like Ment does! That is my evidence for ment shutting you down completely. lol


If I remember correctly the Ment only guy was losing use of his arms.

 

[IndividualMan]

Ment only guy was losing use of his arms.

HUH?????

 

[LGOP528]

HUH?????

I can’t find it right now. I’ll look more tonight. He made a full recovery. I am just pulling this off of memory.

 

[LGOP528]

HUH?????

Post in thread 'MENT solo in lieu of TRT'

Nov 15, 2023

I think I set an anti record for AST/ALT and CK values in the hospital lol.

P.S. Around 1mg a day.

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Well I am glad you did not die, geez man are you okay now?

More details on the "experiment" please? Was this just 1mg MENT and nothing else? Or did you end up adding test and a DHT?

I am on the fence about MENT replacement therapy for my upcoming cruise (next week), I have vials in hand, and leaning towards 75-100mg test per week / with 3mg MENT per day. I have never tried MENT. I do know that I get heavily fucked emotionally if my DHT is too low. Now hearing your story...

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It’s one guy but I knew I wasn’t crazy.

 

[brazy88]

I’m jw, since you mention masteron and eq as both requiring a lot to get only a little growth. Have you personally run mast and or or eq in a mass phase where you’ve experienced this ?

I believe you, it’s just that I’m curious because I’ve also heard this about mast, but not eq though, and I’ve run EQ solo( without test) multiple times with a “base” of Estradiol injectable like Valerate or Cypionate. Kept my e2 in my personal sweet spot and I actually got what I felt were equally on par size progression compared to even when I’ve use test only , test+ deca , test+ment, test +tren, etc.

For me mg per mg I felt like i got as much or more gains than I expected to from a bulk in general, with eq, than I even expected to get for that particular mass phase in general. It was a very successful bulk. Rebounded from a hard diet like usual and massed, gained 32lb of new added offseason weight compared to my previous all time heaviest which the bulk immediately prior to this one I’m referring to.


Now.. I haven’t run masteron ever while in a mass phase, and I’ve only used it 2 honest attempt times while cutting. So I’m curious if both eq and mast were weak for you, and if maybe this has something to do with being estrogen deficient potentially.

How is the water retention from your way of providing your Body with e2.
Let's say you were to run injectable e2 with dhb would you be dry af?
Or injectable e2 with masteron.
I struggle with facial bloat no matter what I do. Even when the body is dry and my bodyfat is 8%.
Only time I had a jawline was on 25mg aromasin a day.
Running 60mg tren-a ED, 20mg test-p ED and 40mg mast-p ED. With the Aromasin.
Nowadays I feel like dying when I run any amount of asin with such a low dose of test.
Even 4mg asin ED instead of 25mg ed on 280 test-p kills me.
I am really tempted to try your way

 

[Para_33]

How is the water retention from your way of providing your Body with e2.
Let's say you were to run injectable e2 with dhb would you be dry af?
Or injectable e2 with masteron.
I struggle with facial bloat no matter what I do. Even when the body is dry and my bodyfat is 8%.
Only time I had a jawline was on 25mg aromasin a day.
Running 60mg tren-a ED, 20mg test-p ED and 40mg mast-p ED. With the Aromasin.
Nowadays I feel like dying when I run any amount of asin with such a low dose of test.
Even 4mg asin ED instead of 25mg ed on 280 test-p kills me.
I am really tempted to try your way

Hey man, so if anything , I actually get the opposite meaning on DHB+e2 for example I’m able to look more dry cosmetic wise and muscle wise. Facially I don’t get much difference personally.

I need to check In with others I’ve had run this protocol with me to see.

 

[brazy88]

Hey man, so if anything , I actually get the opposite meaning on DHB+e2 for example I’m able to look more dry cosmetic wise and muscle wise. Facially I don’t get much difference personally.

I need to check In with others I’ve had run this protocol with me to see.

That would be awesome.
I’ve used DHB once at 300mg and really enjoyed it. I was dry, vascular, strong, with round, full muscles, and I got compliments every day. But it made me aggressive. Luckily nothing bad happened, even though I was often angry and loud. When people misbehaved, I suddenly noticed it right away and lost my temper
Normally, I’m calm and collected, aware of the risks with androgens, but DHB caught me off guard. With Mast, Anavar, Test, Primo, and even Tren, I’ve never had issues, yet DHB was different.
People say you feel normal on DHB, no mental sides, no paranoia like Tren, no matter the dose "you wont feel it"
Well, I didn’t feel bad, to say the least.

Searching for Estradiol Cypionate
I’m not really sure which supplier carries it now that SSA is out of business.
Any suggestions?

 

[BigDadd7]

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Searching for Estradiol Cypionate
I’m not really sure which supplier carries it now that SSA is out of business.
Any suggestions?

Has your blindness effected your ability to read?

 

[brazy88]

Has your blindness effected your ability to read?

My friend, who handled all the sourcing, exclusively relied on EU domestic offers and never turned to Chinese vendors in the past.
Now, with several recent raids taking place, the situation has become even more unsettling.
That’s why I’m asking for recommendations ideally one that would prove to be reliable, maintain good quality, and not be subject to a sudden raid in the near future.

 

[BigDadd7]

My friend, who handled all the sourcing, exclusively relied on EU domestic offers and never turned to Chinese vendors in the past.
Now, with several recent raids taking place, the situation has become even more unsettling.
That’s why I’m asking for recommendations ideally one that would prove to be reliable, maintain good quality, and not be subject to a sudden raid in the near future.

There is a whole section here for you to read through and find the answers you're looking for, grasshopper.