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[readalot]

You had mostly lost me on the jump to "this is definitely polystyrene-related", and (while completely plausible, and I do agree @Primal_Pharma should replace anything that could cause contam from solvent leaching) the jump to "this is definitely related to Primal's lab gear" left me headscratching too.

But now we're going with "well, we still don't know who the bad guy is, but we're pretty sure he looks kinda like this other guy that we had an old picture of". The strongest piece of evidence so far is a casual comment from Jano in the test comments section.

Bro, this is not going to hold up in Chemistry Court.

Here down if you want your chemistry explanation.

R

Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Sep 22, 2025

MCT oil does not turn up as MCT oil in GCMS.
Alot of products in GCMS are not so straight forward to interpret.

Jano requested i send in a plastic (polystyrene) sample (he mentioned in his thread when i asked about it) and i so just did as he requested.

Yes the spectra is not present in all the other vendor testing we previously did.
Only vials suspected thus far are from a single vendor.

I have emailed Jano to see how we can move from suspected->confirmed, but if it's too much work I'll just move on and call it a day. At this point i've already invested a little too much more time...

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Either GPC on the BB sample that soaked the PS piece or meticulously weigh the PS cut out before and after soaking in BB. After retrieving the PS piece, wash in EtOH and dry to get accurate before and after weights.

@Photon already posted the solubility of PS in BB. That Jano picked up such a relatively large amount of polymer additive in the BB sample via GCMS is telling in and off itself. This stump the chump game is tiresome. Send the BB sample off for GPC analysis if you want verification. Meanwhile a member will get accurate before and after weights on a repeat experiment soaking PS in BB.

 

[sionnach]

If you have it, I would definitely try it. Many people do find relief from npp too. There are no hard fast rules with any of this because everyone responds differently.

I run 10/day NPP on cruiseplus.

 

[sionnach]

Would ask for no Mast E in blends. Otherwise my vote is

Test P 100
Mast P 100
Tren Ace 25 (max)

And no Guac pls. If you must, EO.

I actually like this combo idea.

 

[ackmack78]

It’s unfortunate when you’re the only source that decides to step it up. Makes you think... but we won’t stop what we came here to do.

Coming up on 7,500 replies already. That’s absolutely unheard of in such a short period of time. Surpassed multiple big-time sources that have been here for YEARS! We’ve developed a massive clientele in 10 weeks. Think about that. In just 10 weeks we’ve accomplished this. Just imagine a year from now.

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Just don't entertain it anymore and theyll go away to bug another source. Stick to testing for correct dosage and you'll be fine with your prices, sales, and customer service.
I'm only mentioning other vendors right now to make a point.
Stan doesn't do any of this and no one bugs him because he doesn't entertain it. He's also been around 15 years.

Opti just started selling injectables a year ago, his gear always test on point and there's nothing but love for him in his thread and no one is bugging him about enhanced testing because he doesn't entertain it. And his prices are higher than yours. Some of his gear, not sure if he's upgraded, that ive had has the white silicon stoppers, the caps leave little metal nubs after being opened and no one gives a shit. His gear tests on point, both by him and when tested by others, arrives quickly, he takes care of any issues & people think of him as one of the best.

If you simply draw a line on what you'll do, it'll go away to some other thread. Anyway that's my piece just saying this because Im sure there's plenty of other people who just care about correctly dosed gear at a reasonable price from a reputable vendor. If you quit all this enhanced testing I doubt you'd even notice a drop in sales. It also would be nice to be able to actually read the thread and keep up to date on what you're doing instead of seeing pages of testing demands

 

[sionnach]

We’ve developed a massive clientele in 10 weeks.

 

[JBird99]

I run 10/day NPP on cruiseplus.

You run that year round without any issues? I’ve been having some elbow and knee tenderness and even after resting and icing I can’t shake it I’m thinking about running deca or npp as a “TRT plus” dose. Just curious what people’s experience is running something extra for the joints and what should I look out for in my bloodwork

 

[Tdeck81]

I run 10/day NPP on cruiseplus.

@newguy2
Here is one of the guys that has had luck with npp and his dosage. Might take a little dose adjusting from deca to npp, but definitely try it after you use up your deca.

 

[readalot]

The goalpost for me was never moved.
No dissolved plastic or anything weird.
Just
Oil (MCT)
Solvents(BA/BB)
AAS
Nothing else.

The testing done is HPLC and GCMS.
Its the same test that has been done at the 10+ other vendor reports we have.
It is not a new test and has been performed, even before Primal joined Meso.
It has been performed on both China and US Dom gear.

The 2 vials sent for testing, are suspected to contain dissolved plastic.
Is a requirement for not having to inject plastic, a move of the goalpost?

I do not wish to compare with other vendors, but other vendors also provide testing reimbursement. The key difference is that Primal allows one to maintain OPSEC by reimbursing via BTC, whereas the others only give credit. This is a huge step up, vs all other vendors which I have to acknowledge.

Incredible job Brother.

 

[Photon]

Just don't entertain it anymore and theyll go away to bug another source. Stick to testing for correct dosage and you'll be fine with your prices, sales, and customer service.
I'm only mentioning other vendors right now to make a point.
Stan doesn't do any of this and no one bugs him because he doesn't entertain it. He's also been around 15 years.

Opti just started selling injectables a year ago, his gear always test on point and there's nothing but love for him in his thread and no one is bugging him about enhanced testing because he doesn't entertain it. And his prices are higher than yours. Some of his gear, not sure if he's upgraded, that ive had has the white silicon stoppers, the caps leave little metal nubs after being opened and no one gives a shit. His gear tests on point, both by him and when tested by others, arrives quickly, he takes care of any issues & people think of him as one of the best.

If you simply draw a line on what you'll do, it'll go away to some other thread. Anyway that's my piece just saying this because Im sure there's plenty of other people who just care about correctly dosed gear at a reasonable price from a reputable vendor. If you quit all this enhanced testing I doubt you'd even notice a drop in sales. It also would be nice to be able to actually read the thread and keep up to date on what you're doing instead of seeing pages of testing demands

No testing, no problems, perfect gear.
Well said.

 

[AlexDavis43]

The 2 vials sent for testing, are suspected to contain dissolved plastic.
Is a requirement for not having to inject plastic, a move of the goalpost?

The mystery nitrogen-containing compound... how'd a nitrogen get in there?

 

[Tdeck81]

Coming up on 7,500 replies already. That’s absolutely unheard of in such a short period of time. Surpassed multiple big-time sources that have been here for YEARS!

 

[readalot]

The mystery nitrogen-containing compound... how'd a nitrogen get in there?

You must have missed this.

R

Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Sep 22, 2025

We reviewed spectra together against the NIST spectra. AutoID appears correct for the plastic-associated peak that was also flagged in the TRE400 samples.

antioxidant or anti-yellowing additive that leached from the polystyrene.

Benzenemethanamine, N-hydroxy-N-(phenylmethyl)-

webbook.nist.gov

N,N-Dibenzylhydroxylamine — Richman Chemical Inc. | Custom Synthesis | Toll Manufacturing | Raw Material Sourcing

www.richmanchemical.com

Confirmed in (1) the BB sample where you soaked the PS piece in as well as (2) the TRE400 samples.


The common denominator is the polystyrene funnel for bottle top filtration and high BB content?

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R

Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Sep 22, 2025

If there is soluble polystyrene in those samples we have no way of knowing as it doesn't appear the PS will thermally depolymerize at 350 deg C as we discussed. If no styrene monomer then no trace on the GC. Would need GPC or another method to pick up polymer.

Great project that was fronted by @Photon and paid for by @Primal_Pharma. No group testing funds were used.

Thanks for sharing the results in this thread photon.

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[newguy2]

@newguy2
Here is one of the guys that has had luck with npp and his dosage. Might take a little dose adjusting from deca to npp, but definitely try it after you use up your deca.

Saw that and noted it thank you.

 

[BigDadd7]

Just don't entertain it anymore and theyll go away to bug another source. Stick to testing for correct dosage and you'll be fine with your prices, sales, and customer service.
I'm only mentioning other vendors right now to make a point.
Stan doesn't do any of this and no one bugs him because he doesn't entertain it. He's also been around 15 years.

Opti just started selling injectables a year ago, his gear always test on point and there's nothing but love for him in his thread and no one is bugging him about enhanced testing because he doesn't entertain it. And his prices are higher than yours. Some of his gear, not sure if he's upgraded, that ive had has the white silicon stoppers, the caps leave little metal nubs after being opened and no one gives a shit. His gear tests on point, both by him and when tested by others, arrives quickly, he takes care of any issues & people think of him as one of the best.

If you simply draw a line on what you'll do, it'll go away to some other thread. Anyway that's my piece just saying this because Im sure there's plenty of other people who just care about correctly dosed gear at a reasonable price from a reputable vendor. If you quit all this enhanced testing I doubt you'd even notice a drop in sales. It also would be nice to be able to actually read the thread and keep up to date on what you're doing instead of seeing pages of testing demands

Sounds like you have plenty of vendors already offering you what you want.

 

[sionnach]

That Jano picked up such a relatively large amount of polymer additive

Still haven't confirmed that's what it is. Could be one of around 300 things. This is just the one that fits the polystyrene hypothesis. And even then it's not a plastic, it's just sometimes used as an intermediary in the styrene manufacturing process.

 

[readalot]

Anyway that's my piece just saying this because Im sure there's plenty of other people who just care about correctly dosed gear at a reasonable price from a reputable vendor. If you quit all this enhanced testing I doubt you'd even notice a drop in sales.

We are entering with a clear purpose: to set a higher standard and lead the way in performance supplementation. We are not here to follow trends.

Which will it be?

 

[readalot]

Still haven't confirmed that's what it is. Could be one of around 300 things. This is just the one that fits the polystyrene hypothesis. And even then it's not a plastic, it's just sometimes used as an intermediary in the styrene manufacturing process.

Will copy it again for you.

R

Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Sep 22, 2025

We reviewed spectra together against the NIST spectra. AutoID appears correct for the plastic-associated peak that was also flagged in the TRE400 samples.

antioxidant or anti-yellowing additive that leached from the polystyrene.

Benzenemethanamine, N-hydroxy-N-(phenylmethyl)-

webbook.nist.gov

N,N-Dibenzylhydroxylamine — Richman Chemical Inc. | Custom Synthesis | Toll Manufacturing | Raw Material Sourcing

www.richmanchemical.com

Confirmed in (1) the BB sample where you soaked the PS piece in as well as (2) the TRE400 samples.


The common denominator is the polystyrene funnel for bottle top filtration and high BB content?

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Yes the mass spectra confirms what it is.

 

[readalot]

And even then it's not a plastic, it's just sometimes used as an intermediary in the styrene manufacturing process.

R

Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Sep 22, 2025

If there is soluble polystyrene in those samples we have no way of knowing as it doesn't appear the PS will thermally depolymerize at 350 deg C as we discussed. If no styrene monomer then no trace on the GC. Would need GPC or another method to pick up polymer.

Great project that was fronted by @Photon and paid for by @Primal_Pharma. No group testing funds were used.

Thanks for sharing the results in this thread photon.

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[AlexDavis43]

You must have missed this.

R

Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Sep 22, 2025

We reviewed spectra together against the NIST spectra. AutoID appears correct for the plastic-associated peak that was also flagged in the TRE400 samples.

antioxidant or anti-yellowing additive that leached from the polystyrene.

Benzenemethanamine, N-hydroxy-N-(phenylmethyl)-

webbook.nist.gov

N,N-Dibenzylhydroxylamine — Richman Chemical Inc. | Custom Synthesis | Toll Manufacturing | Raw Material Sourcing

www.richmanchemical.com

Confirmed in (1) the BB sample where you soaked the PS piece in as well as (2) the TRE400 samples.


The common denominator is the polystyrene funnel for bottle top filtration and high BB content?

• readalot

R

Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Sep 22, 2025

If there is soluble polystyrene in those samples we have no way of knowing as it doesn't appear the PS will thermally depolymerize at 350 deg C as we discussed. If no styrene monomer then no trace on the GC. Would need GPC or another method to pick up polymer.

Great project that was fronted by @Photon and paid for by @Primal_Pharma. No group testing funds were used.

Thanks for sharing the results in this thread photon.

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I did not miss that

What bottle plastic or filter has nitrogen? Shouldn't be from the raw, carrier oil, solvent, etc

Weird compounds sure, but the nitrogen had to come from one of the components involved in the process; what component?

 

[Photon]

Instead of arguing and flooding this thread further, let's just wait for Jano to reply. I have already emailed him and let's see where it goes.