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S1L3NC3D

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In my early 50's. Been weight lifting on and off since my mid 20s. Im 5"10 , 210 , 17% bf. Im currently on low dose reta to hit 15% bf before I start.

Im looking to add to my TRT. I plan on bumping up the test c to 125 mg - 150 mg x a week. My goal is just to add lean muscle, Not competiting or anything just trying to live and look my best life. I have in the past , 20+ years ago, ran a few cycles of Test/ Dbol , Test/ Tren, Test/Anadrol. But didnt have the opportunity or sources to take much more. Ive been reading alot about NPP and Mast Prop, but it seems Im going backwads at this point with my research.

My plan(s) were for 10 weeks, then go back to cruise of test 140mg a week.

(1) Test 250-300mg week
Mast Prop 100mg EOD

(2) Test 250-300mg week
NPP 100mg EOD

(3) Test 250-300mg week
Mast Prop 100mg EOD
NPP 100mg EOD

I also have HGH on hand but still researching. Currently taking before bed fast Tesamorelin and Ipamorelin.

Any advice , adjustments , or input appreciated.

Thank you in advance
 
There's no reason to jump straight from TRT to massive doses of NP and mast. Just increase your T at first, get some labs and see how things are going. Then maybe add something else, but in way smaller amounts to see how you respond. 350/wk, and higher than 1:1 is not a jump off point. Get labs before and after every change, don't just go by feel.

I know you're in a rush cuz you're feeling your age, but you're still way younger than a lot of people on here. You have plenty of time to go slow and do it right.

Do you already have current labs? Dexa scan?
 
sionnach said:
There's no reason to jump straight from TRT to massive doses of NP and mast. Just increase your T at first, get some labs and see how things are going. Then maybe add something else, but in way smaller amounts to see how you respond. 350/wk, and higher than 1:1 is not a jump off point. Get labs before and after every change, don't just go by feel.

I know you're in a rush cuz you're feeling your age, but you're still way younger than a lot of people on here. You have plenty of time to go slow and do it right.

Do you already have current labs? Dexa scan?
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Thanks for your reply.

Yes , I do have current labs as of last week. Was taking 70mg x 2 week. Everything check out with the Dr and. He said to bump it up to 80mg x 2 week.

Ive had a dexa scan about 2 months ago, but it was for my back.

Yes, im feeling my age a little. Just had a newborn this Friday, and have a 2 year old. So just wanting to be the best version of me I can be .
 
How is your back feeling btw? Hopefully better.

Buuuuut, we know it won't be for long with a new baby and lack of sleep.:p
Congratulations bro!
 
"Old man gold" I like that! Although if don't ( mentally) feel old, my body does someday.

I have 4 kits of HGH , been reading a lot about it, but zero experience with it. I was wanting to run it for mabey 6 months or until side effects become unbearable. I know to start slow and titrate up, but im not sure how far to titrate up to. My goal with HGH is longevity, sleep and stay lean. Additional muscle would be a plus . Trying to live as long as the good Lord will let me live to see my kids grow up.

Any suggestions how to run it. ? Not asking to be spoon fed , just some guidance. Thanks.
 
Bump your T to 250. Retest T and E2 after 4 weeks. Go ahead and start that HGH at 2iu for a few weeks and then bump up to 4iu if no sides. It's incredible for us old guys.

No need to jump right to deca or npp.

Before you start the HGH, go get a baseline IGF-1 and z score. You'll want to be able to compare that after a month or so. At our age, bloodwork pays for itself in dividends.
 
as @sionnach says. up your testosterone first.

you can add in 1 compound after that, either npp or mast if you haven't run them before at each cycle to see how you respond to it.

and idk about your bloodwork but as a 50 year old im assuming you have to money to perform bloodwork every month, every 2nd month as a minimum if you wanna save money but take your health seriously as a 50 year old cycling.

more constructive feedback i dont think i wanna add since you're still doing research and can ask about anything in here.
 
S1L3NC3D said:
"Old man gold" I like that! Although if don't ( mentally) feel old, my body does someday.

I have 4 kits of HGH , been reading a lot about it, but zero experience with it. I was wanting to run it for mabey 6 months or until side effects become unbearable. I know to start slow and titrate up, but im not sure how far to titrate up to. My goal with HGH is longevity, sleep and stay lean. Additional muscle would be a plus . Trying to live as long as the good Lord will let me live to see my kids grow up.

Any suggestions how to run it. ? Not asking to be spoon fed , just some guidance. Thanks.
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There are a lot of guys here who probably started in different ways

I take it at night before bed, and after my blood glucose is under 80 from my last food.

This is how I started.

Got baseline bloodwork- test, estradiol, IGF-1, Insulin, a1c. I got more than that for other reasons, but those might be the best tests directly related to HGH.

I think it's important to know your natural IGF so you can have an idea of what your response is to GH and help determine you dosing. estradiol can impact IGF numbers, so anytime you change your test, check igf again. It's important to check blood glucose and insulin markers because GH can induce insulin resistance. Know what your fasted insulin level is before starting GH. And monitor it.

After bloodwork I started at 1IU for a week. Went up to 2 the next week.... had to back down to 1.5 and go up in smaller increments. Eventually got up to 4iu after about 40 days on it.

Got repeat bloodwork. IGF went from 130 to 330. Satisfactory results.

I'm going back to retest again in a few weeks because I just started using test this month and need to see how the numbers have changed.

HGH is a long game I hear. Not sure if many people run it for only 6 months. You will want to learn about the possible unwanted effects that come with elevated IGF (acromelalgia type growth) and determine what your goal IGF number is.

This thread has some good information about that, and lots of shared experiences from users of HGH.

malfeasance

Thread 'Post up your Natty IGF-1 Level'

So what is your IGF-1 level when not injecting any hgh?

I saw this guy complaining about being in the mid-200s, which looked high to me:

IGF-1 level and HGH replacement

TLDR: At what level of IGF-1 would you consider adding in a replacement dose of HGH? I'm almost 40 with a public safety job. I'm beat up. I've been thinking about adding in an HRT dose of 2iu GH to my 150mg TRT. But my last 2 IGF-1's have been 223 and 254 which are towards the top of the...
thinksteroids.com thinksteroids.com

Mine are only 83 (range 50-317 ng/mL, so technically in range and not low, LOL)


What is your natty IGF-1 level?
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BigDadd7 said:
Bump your T to 250. Retest T and E2 after 4 weeks. Go ahead and start that HGH at 2iu for a few weeks and then bump up to 4iu if no sides. It's incredible for us old guys.

No need to jump right to deca or npp.

Before you start the HGH, go get a baseline IGF-1 and z score. You'll want to be able to compare that after a month or so. At our age, bloodwork pays for itself in dividends.
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I received my IGF1 test back.

206 IGF 1
Z Score 0.9
Insulin level 16.4
 
dinfar1337 said:
as @sionnach says. up your testosterone first.

you can add in 1 compound after that, either npp or mast if you haven't run them before at each cycle to see how you respond to it.

and idk about your bloodwork but as a 50 year old im assuming you have to money to perform bloodwork every month, every 2nd month as a minimum if you wanna save money but take your health seriously as a 50 year old cycling.

more constructive feedback i dont think i wanna add since you're still doing research and can ask about anything in here.
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Thank you for your input.

I 100% agree. I did blood work 2 months ago for my TRT, Dr said my blood work was great. He bumped the dose up from 140 week total to 180 week total. Just pulled bloods on that waiting for report.
I also did a full panel including IGF1 with my primary the 16th and received the back yesterday.
 
Elektrobot said:
There are a lot of guys here who probably started in different ways

I take it at night before bed, and after my blood glucose is under 80 from my last food.

This is how I started.

Got baseline bloodwork- test, estradiol, IGF-1, Insulin, a1c. I got more than that for other reasons, but those might be the best tests directly related to HGH.

I think it's important to know your natural IGF so you can have an idea of what your response is to GH and help determine you dosing. estradiol can impact IGF numbers, so anytime you change your test, check igf again. It's important to check blood glucose and insulin markers because GH can induce insulin resistance. Know what your fasted insulin level is before starting GH. And monitor it.

After bloodwork I started at 1IU for a week. Went up to 2 the next week.... had to back down to 1.5 and go up in smaller increments. Eventually got up to 4iu after about 40 days on it.

Got repeat bloodwork. IGF went from 130 to 330. Satisfactory results.

I'm going back to retest again in a few weeks because I just started using test this month and need to see how the numbers have changed.

HGH is a long game I hear. Not sure if many people run it for only 6 months. You will want to learn about the possible unwanted effects that come with elevated IGF (acromelalgia type growth) and determine what your goal IGF number is.

This thread has some good information about that, and lots of shared experiences from users of HGH.

malfeasance

Thread 'Post up your Natty IGF-1 Level'

So what is your IGF-1 level when not injecting any hgh?

I saw this guy complaining about being in the mid-200s, which looked high to me:

IGF-1 level and HGH replacement

TLDR: At what level of IGF-1 would you consider adding in a replacement dose of HGH? I'm almost 40 with a public safety job. I'm beat up. I've been thinking about adding in an HRT dose of 2iu GH to my 150mg TRT. But my last 2 IGF-1's have been 223 and 254 which are towards the top of the...
thinksteroids.com thinksteroids.com

Mine are only 83 (range 50-317 ng/mL, so technically in range and not low, LOL)


What is your natty IGF-1 level?
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Thank you for the detailed explanation.. I am very aware of the side effects , the long term ones " acromelalgia type growth " as you've stated are ones i woukd to avoid. Thats the part that makes me hesitant to move forward . Im dont want to run high IUs og HGH, just enough to meet my goals and maintain them.

In my research, and I could be wrong, some of the sides effects such as your nose and lips growing can be reversed if you catch it in time .

I received my IGF1 blood work ,
IGF1 206
Z Score 0.9
Insulin level 16.4


I have 4 36IU kits and 4 10IU kits. I was thinking running it for 6 months then evaluating the risk vs benefits . I have more than enough to run ot past 6 months.

Thank you again.
 
Elektrobot said:
If this was a fasted test, I would not start GH with Insulin that high

For reference, mine is 4
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No sir. It was mid afternoon. I had the quarterly full panel blood work already scheduled , and decided at the last moment to test IGF1.

I'll schedule a IGF1 panel before I start the HGH fasted. I want to be fully prepared before I start anything. Im still learning as much as possible before I make the commitment.

I am taking Tesamorelin/Ipamorelin fasted before bed currently to test the water with secretagogues.
 
S1L3NC3D said:
In my early 50's. Been weight lifting on and off since my mid 20s. Im 5"10 , 210 , 17% bf. Im currently on low dose reta to hit 15% bf before I start.

Im looking to add to my TRT. I plan on bumping up the test c to 125 mg - 150 mg x a week. My goal is just to add lean muscle, Not competiting or anything just trying to live and look my best life. I have in the past , 20+ years ago, ran a few cycles of Test/ Dbol , Test/ Tren, Test/Anadrol. But didnt have the opportunity or sources to take much more. Ive been reading alot about NPP and Mast Prop, but it seems Im going backwads at this point with my research.

My plan(s) were for 10 weeks, then go back to cruise of test 140mg a week.

(1) Test 250-300mg week
Mast Prop 100mg EOD

(2) Test 250-300mg week
NPP 100mg EOD

(3) Test 250-300mg week
Mast Prop 100mg EOD
NPP 100mg EOD

I also have HGH on hand but still researching. Currently taking before bed fast Tesamorelin and Ipamorelin.

Any advice , adjustments , or input appreciated.

Thank you in advance
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You've already been given a lot of good advice but I didn't notice anything about your body comp so I'll be that guy. You should get down to 10% bf before you bump the T and go full bulk. You want to create enough room to be able to handle additional calories and inevitable fat gain without becoming obese. 20% bf is over weight if not obese which is what you stand to "grow into" if you start at 15%. By starting at 10% you create a buffer where you can still be lean at the end of the bulk and cutting back down won't be so difficult or time consuming.

Also, I wouldn't put a hard number on the cycle. This creates an arbitrary limit that may or may not be applicable to you as an individual. What if things are going great at 10 weeks and you are growing like a beast and your bloodwork is perfect? Are you going to halt that progress just because your calendar says so? Or what if the opposite happens? 5 weeks in, bloods look horrendous, you feel terrible and you're getting massive sides. Are you going to keep pushing because "10 weeks, grrr"?

It's great to have set points for bloodwork or other general workups but avoid creating cycles that say "start here, end there". It's a holdover practice from legacy bodybuilding when we didn't have such easy access to bloodwork and knew fuckall about what steroids did to our health so the collective "best stop at 10, or 12 or 16 weeks just to be safe" was born and just never died.

Not medical advice, just something I wish someone would have told me before I started. Good luck brother.
 
adrenalytic said:
You've already been given a lot of good advice but I didn't notice anything about your body comp so I'll be that guy. You should get down to 10% bf before you bump the T and go full bulk. You want to create enough room to be able to handle additional calories and inevitable fat gain without becoming obese. 20% bf is over weight if not obese which is what you stand to "grow into" if you start at 15%. By starting at 10% you create a buffer where you can still be lean at the end of the bulk and cutting back down won't be so difficult or time consuming.

Also, I wouldn't put a hard number on the cycle. This creates an arbitrary limit that may or may not be applicable to you as an individual. What if things are going great at 10 weeks and you are growing like a beast and your bloodwork is perfect? Are you going to halt that progress just because your calendar says so? Or what if the opposite happens? 5 weeks in, bloods look horrendous, you feel terrible and you're getting massive sides. Are you going to keep pushing because "10 weeks, grrr"?

It's great to have set points for bloodwork or other general workups but avoid creating cycles that say "start here, end there". It's a holdover practice from legacy bodybuilding when we didn't have such easy access to bloodwork and knew fuckall about what steroids did to our health so the collective "best stop at 10, or 12 or 16 weeks just to be safe" was born and just never died.

Not medical advice, just something I wish someone would have told me before I started. Good luck brother.
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@ adrenalytic - sir, no worries, please be that guy, no offense taken at all as I am here for help from people that have more real world experience than I.

What you said make sense 100%. I am no hurry to start this or any cycle . This is the reason I am reaching out for advice and help. I will take your advice and aim for +/- 10% BF. I unforturntely hurt my back and had severe back issues for a while, to the point it was even hard to get out of bed and walk. So i put on weight that I normally dont carry to being inactive, not by choice.(Im 95% now and getting better since Im able to exercise) It does make sense to have a buffer, and that I will add on fat while gaing musle, I knew that but not really factor it in until you pointed it out.Thank you.

I agree with the cycle advise. I just wanted to create a baseline for myself, but yes, you are correct again.Thanks for pointing this out. Back in the day , it was not as easy to get bloods done, or even easliy access information from people as yourself with real world experience and knowledge. This was very limited knowlege publicly besides bodybuilding magazines and hearsay. On top of that we were, or I was, limited to what was avaliable as for steriods. Test and Dbol were the standard. if you were lucky EQ and Winstrol.

Thank you for your help and advice .
 
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