Defiant Pharma (US Domestic)

[sionnach]

I live on both sides of the fence, and can make a case for either.

Today I'm in a "caveat emptor", "early bird gets the worm", "we should be testing every vial ourselves anyway" kind of mood, but it could just be I'm annoyed that I see the same kind of self-appointed bureaucrat karen mob that led to the FDA and DEA forming right here on Meso, complete with our own Upton Sinclairs

 

[crispybacon!]

Personally, I prefer a vendor to test raws before brewing and test finished product before selling. But obviously, that choice is up to the vendor.

What I don’t get is why an established vendor would brew untested raw or sell untested finished product (less of a concern if raws are tested before brewing). Testing raws allows for more accurate concentration, which I see as a good thing - we love when a vendor has their product dialed in.

The bigger risk is the potential for irreparable brand damage if something goes wrong. For example, a popular and trusted vendor (who thankfully tests everything before brewing/selling) recently had bunk raw (contained zero test). Had they brewed and sold without testing, it likely would have resulted in a shit show. Sure, they may have been able to make it right for their customers, but it would have cost them considerably. Not to mention the ongoing rumors about the vendor selling bunk that would probably never go away.

So there’s really no upside to the vendor. Either way, they will produce the same amount of product, and the same number of people will buy it. I simply don’t see the benefit for the vendor. What am I missing?

 

[readalot]

What am I missing?

You really want to know? Or just rhetorical?

 

[crispybacon!]

You really want to know? Or just rhetorical?

Legitimately curious, assuming the vendor’s intentions are good.

 

[dkswrth]

if I can jab some oil in my ass and then deadlift a 500lb land whale at the local dive bar, the gear's legit in my book.

god i miss tren..

 

[AllGoodThings]

I don't think it's a good counter argument, because if that actually happened (stuff going OOS because of an overwhelming demand for untested gear*), and the source had at least two brain cells, they'd learn pretty quickly to increase inventory

The problem is that doesn't really work for compounds like DHB, Mast E, and other hard to get (these days) stuff that ends up being very limited in quantity and sells out very quickly.

Personally, I prefer a vendor to test raws before brewing and test finished product before selling. But obviously, that choice is up to the vendor.

What I don’t get is why an established vendor would brew untested raw or sell untested finished product (less of a concern if raws are tested before brewing). Testing raws allows for more accurate concentration, which I see as a good thing - we love when a vendor has their product dialed in.

The bigger risk is the potential for irreparable brand damage if something goes wrong. For example, a popular and trusted vendor (who thankfully tests everything before brewing/selling) recently had bunk raw (contained zero test). Had they brewed and sold without testing, it likely would have resulted in a shit show. Sure, they may have been able to make it right for their customers, but it would have cost them considerably. Not to mention the ongoing rumors about the vendor selling bunk that would probably never go away.

So there’s really no upside to the vendor. Either way, they will produce the same amount of product, and the same number of people will buy it. I simply don’t see the benefit for the vendor. What am I missing?

Very well said.

I live on both sides of the fence, and can make a case for either.

Today I'm in a "caveat emptor", "early bird gets the worm", "we should be testing every vial ourselves anyway" kind of mood, but it could just be I'm annoyed that I see the same kind of self-appointed bureaucrat karen mob that led to the FDA and DEA forming right here on Meso, complete with our own Upton Sinclairs

I'm not trying to tell this source, or any other, how to run their business, but I think they can appreciate hearing opinions. If he decides to make products available before testing comes in, he'll make some people happy, and others will be disappointed. I'm guessing sources decide based either on what their own opinion is on how it should be done, or they'll go with the majority to keep the biggest percentage of people happy.

 

[readalot]

Legitimately curious, assuming the vendor’s intentions are good.

You said it perfectly. Even this fellow would be hard pressed to argue with you.

 

[AlexDavis43]

The problem is that doesn't really work for compounds like DHB, Mast E, and other hard to get (these days) stuff that ends up being very limited in quantity and sells out very quickly.


Very well said.


I'm not trying to tell this source, or any other, how to run their business, but I think they can appreciate hearing opinions. If he decides to make products available before testing comes in, he'll make some people happy, and others will be disappointed. I'm guessing sources decide based either on what their own opinion is on how it should be done, or they'll go with the majority to keep the biggest percentage of people happy.

I live on both sides of the fence, and can make a case for either.

Today I'm in a "caveat emptor", "early bird gets the worm", "we should be testing every vial ourselves anyway" kind of mood, but it could just be I'm annoyed that I see the same kind of self-appointed bureaucrat karen mob that led to the FDA and DEA forming right here on Meso, complete with our own Upton Sinclairs

I don't plan on buying untested gear but it doesn't seem right for that to be made into a rule and imposed on everyone

If that means I miss out on something, so be it

 

[AllGoodThings]

I don't plan on buying untested gear but it doesn't seem right for that to be made into a rule and imposed on everyone

If that means I miss out on something, so be it

I guess I'm seeing it more as a decision by a source to either only sell tested gear, or to sell "testing pending" gear, but you could say that's semantics I suppose.

 

[Docsunshine23]

Personally, I prefer a vendor to test raws before brewing and test finished product before selling.

This is the way

 

[QuadFather]

if I can jab some oil in my ass and then deadlift a 500lb land whale at the local dive bar, the gear's legit in my book.

god i miss tren..

What do you mean miss it ..? I’m never off

 

[dkswrth]

What do you mean miss it ..? I’m never off

bwahahaha — the day they make a tren that doesn’t beat up my liver like it owes it money is the day that no land whale or 3/10 is safe

mark my words yall... Trenageddon is coming gentlemen

 

[Defiant Pharma]

Good afternoon fellas. I've ordered quantitative testing for 10-11 finished oil samples. I will get these out ASAP.

It will include some existing GSO batches of things and all of the new oils in their MCT versions. The Tren A and Test C came out beautifully I might add and should be right on the money going by raw purity results.

We'll see when the results come back.

And nothing will be put on the list until finished oil testing comes back from here on on out. No one will miss out the products we have limited supply on.

If anyone comes across DHB raw or some other exotic raws you'd like to see on the list and you feel like letting me know I'm all ears.

regards,

D.

 

[Defiant Pharma]

if I can jab some oil in my ass and then deadlift a 500lb land whale at the local dive bar, the gear's legit in my book.

god i miss tren..

We call that goin hoggin round these parts.

 

[dkswrth]

Hoggin'?? Nahhh there's plenty to share if you ask nice lol

 

[Defiant Pharma]

Hoggin'?? Nahhh there's plenty to share if you ask nice lol

LMAO. There's also this thing, can't remember the name of it but, you whisper into the girls ear, "You are the fattest bitch I've ever fucked," then try and hold on for 8 seconds.

Give it a shot brother!

 

[dkswrth]

LMAO. There's also this thing, can't remember the name of it but, you whisper into the girls ear, "You are the fattest bitch I've ever fucked," then try and hold on for 8 seconds.

Give it a shot brother!

LMFAOO yk what... I will lol—nothin’ like a good bull ride, holdin' on for dear life whispering ‘oh dear God’... but first, gotta watch GA drop Auburn at Jordan-Hare. Priorities yfm

 

[newguy2]

Good afternoon fellas. I've ordered quantitative testing for 10-11 finished oil samples. I will get these out ASAP.

It will include some existing GSO batches of things and all of the new oils in their MCT versions. The Tren A and Test C came out beautifully I might add and should be right on the money going by raw purity results.

We'll see when the results come back.

And nothing will be put on the list until finished oil testing comes back from here on on out. No one will miss out the products we have limited supply on.

If anyone comes across DHB raw or some other exotic raws you'd like to see on the list and you feel like letting me know I'm all ears.

regards,

D.

Good stuff man. Doing things right.

 

[Defiant Pharma]

LMFAOO yk what... I will lol—nothin’ like a good bull ride, holdin' on for dear life whispering ‘oh dear God’... but first, gotta watch GA drop Auburn at Jordan-Hare. Priorities yfm

I think it's called the "Rodeo" now that I think about it. Give em hell brother!!

 

[brutalbuilt]

"tired of sources selling untested shit"

Why? I mean, why do you care at all about that?

It's not like them selling untested shit impairs your choice to only purchase tested gear

Seems very unlikely that an overwhelming desire for untested gear is going to all of a sudden make everything go out of stock, and in the odd case if that happened, sources would adapt sooner than later... yes, even in 'scary' times like now xD

you make no sense

just stfu and test everything