Anyone ever try a test blast / cycle sub-q?

[Juicedhead]

OP if you are too fat to pin in a muscle just get it as deep as you can.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

Every time you puncture the skin you create the risk of an infection. At the end of the day your trying to get testosterone into the bloodstream. There are no new variables here...

You're just injecting more. It doesn't really matter if you inject your eyelids, it's still getting into your system.

Now for a cycle do you think injecting into fat which has almost zero blood circulation is better or into muscle? Is the testosterone getting into your system if it's causing lumps and welts... Anyway up to you bro but at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you inject daily or weekly. They are long esters and take a while to get broken down. I'm only injecting daily now because I don't like injecting more than 1cc per injection unless I'm doing glutes.

Otherwise I'd just inject once or twice a week....

Respectfully with your logic any sort of sub-q trt wouldn’t work at all.

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but if you don't want to fuck up your regimen and current stability, then why blast? If things are dialled in, enjoy it.

For most people, running their first cycle is not about maintaining stability but learning how they respond, how e2 creeping up might feel, and then how to use AI to manage it. I don't think the sub-q/IM or daily pinning will save you from the learnings. My advice would be learn doing a protocol that you can sustain in future cycles so the learnings still apply and are a known baseline as changes are made or compounds added.

I want to blast but I want to do it the most efficient way possible. These responses i’m getting seems like people just afraid of the idea something else might also work and are stuck in their old fashioned ways. If there are clear studies showing sub-q testosterone leads to higher levels of test with less aromatization, maybe it’s worth thinking about a sub-q blast.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

Im not getting any useful responses here besides people saying to do IM for their own personal reasons and thoughts — nothing objective.

Maybe i’ll be the self experiment and post the results!

 

[Whistles77]

Respectfully with your logic any sort of sub-q trt wouldn’t work at all.

I want to blast but I want to do it the most efficient way possible. These responses i’m getting seems like people just afraid of the idea something else might also work and are stuck in their old fashioned ways. If there are clear studies showing sub-q testosterone leads to higher levels of test with less aromatization, maybe it’s worth thinking about a sub-q blast.

I think a lot of the responses are offering genuine advice, albeit not thinking its a good idea. Lot's of folks here are curious though. Noone will stop you and im sure people will be interested if you try it. However, if you've never blasted before, then you don't know how you aromatise at 500mg anyway (IM or SubQ). If you want to learn and are not committed to sub-q in subseqent cycles, then perhaps IM will give more useful learnings for the future. You do you though. Maybe do a sub-q 500 cycle, and then an IM 500 cycle later and see how they compare.

 

[Liter O' Test]

I want to blast but I want to do it the most efficient way possible.

this type of newage brainrot thinking leads to suboptimal results

 

[bananafeet]

I'm not trying to be unhelpful. The scientific literature or studies are kinda different to people's real world experiences. Blast away bro

 

[Turkeybuilder]

I think a lot of the responses are offering genuine advice, albeit not thinking its a good idea. Lot's of folks here are curious though. Noone will stop you and im sure people will be interested if you try it. However, if you've never blasted before, then you don't know how you aromatise at 500mg anyway (IM or SubQ). If you want to learn and are not committed to sub-q in subseqent cycles, then perhaps IM will give more useful learnings for the future. You do you though. Maybe do a sub-q 500 cycle, and then an IM 500 cycle later and see how they compare.

I like this idea too.

this type of newage brainrot thinking leads to suboptimal results

i agree with this when it comes to the “science based training” bullshit thats being passed around

I'm not trying to be unhelpful. The scientific literature or studies are kinda different to people's real world experiences. Blast away bro

all love brother thank you

 

[AIRBORNE DADDY]

Im not getting any useful responses here besides people saying to do IM for their own personal reasons and thoughts — nothing objective.

Maybe i’ll be the self experiment and post the results!

I finished a cycle and went to 200mg test split im...now I'm doing 150mg subq split so it's 38 units basically in the delt with a slin pin, absolutely no issues.... nice break cuz I'm still doing 600mg glutathione 3x a week (1.75 cc) a pin im....

Trt dose this works for me. The problem is when I go back to 250 test/ 250 tren/ 300 mast I'll be forced back to 23g/1" pins cuz I'm not doing 70 to 80 units every single day and more for tirz. I am pleasantly surprised that 8 seconds in the microwave allows me to draw and pin with a slin pin.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

I finished a cycle and went to 200mg test split im...now I'm doing 150mg subq split so it's 38 units basically in the delt with a slin pin, absolutely no issues.... nice break cuz I'm still doing 600mg glutathione 3x a week (1.75 cc) a pin im....

Trt dose this works for me. The problem is when I go back to 250 test/ 250 tren/ 300 mast I'll be forced back to 23g/1" pins cuz I'm not doing 70 to 80 units every single day and more for tirz. I am pleasantly surprised that 8 seconds in the microwave allows me to draw and pin with a slin pin.

Respectable

 

[rxzed]

Im not getting any useful responses here besides people saying to do IM for their own personal reasons and thoughts — nothing objective.

Maybe i’ll be the self experiment and post the results!

There's not really much to say about it. If it's injected under the skin, it will be absorbed. The overall absorption rate will not be significantly different, given how long the ester is, assuming you aren't using a short ester.

If you want to try it for yourself, go ahead and do it. Ideally, the less injections and overall volume you can do, the better. Scar tissue can only be removed surgically, and daily injections, especially if you are doing it in the same area, such as the abdomen, increases the risk greatly. Subcutaneous injections inherently require more injections given how small the size of the depot can be before you begin to get lumping. Lipohypertrophy can also occur, which, in general, also has to be removed surgically.

The only real benefit I see from it is a decreased risk of infection.

 

[MadaFacor]

I plan on starting my first ever cycle of test 500mg/wk and my current “trt” is 175mg/wk. i inject 50mg (0.2ml) EOD sub-q. I was hoping to continue sub-q usage but if I want to do a 500mg/wk cycle i’d have to pin 0.6ml of oil EOD and that sounds like it would suck.

Anyone ever try it? Advice? Thoughts?

Should I continue my regular 175mg/wk sub-q TRT and then do the rest of the 325mg/wk IM for my cycle?

Common understanding is that this is a bad idea. I tried a few pins at 1 ml and I was miserable. They really are designed to be injected IM. But hey, give it a run and report back. We're all biologically different.

 

[readalot]

There are multiple studies indicating sub-Q testosterone administration lead to higher and more stable levels of concentration of testosterone in the bloodstream AND less aromatization @readalot

I posted about them at ExcelMale. The me of a few years ago would have given you a few paragraphs. All I can say is do what works for you Sir. Thanks for the tag. Best wishes for the trials.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

I posted about them at ExcelMale. The me of a few years ago would have given you a few paragraphs. All I can say is do what works for you Sir. Thanks for the tag. Best wishes for the trials.

I’d love a link to your post so I can read up.
Still giving the idea some real thought.

Common understanding is that this is a bad idea. I tried a few pins at 1 ml and I was miserable. They really are designed to be injected IM. But hey, give it a run and report back. We're all biologically different.

Whatever I land on, i’ll check back in here

There's not really much to say about it. If it's injected under the skin, it will be absorbed. The overall absorption rate will not be significantly different, given how long the ester is, assuming you aren't using a short ester.

especially if you are doing it in the same area, such as the abdomen

i usually rotate my sub-q test sites between L glute/R glute/ L outer thigh / R outer thigh / abdomen

So each spot gets a lot of rest

 

[readalot]

I’d love a link to your post so I can read up.
Still giving the idea some real thought.

New Study - SubQ Alledgedly Leads To Lower HCT/E2/PSA Than IM Just Published - Excel Male Health Forum

This data was first discussed here a year or so ago when it was released as a poster. It was now just published in a major urology journal. Bascially it suggested that 75 or 100mg of "Xyosted" (SubQ enanthate) each week leads to lower HCT/E2/PSA than does 100mg of IM cypionate. This...

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IM versus Sub-q T Injections: Effect on TT, hematocrit, E2, and PSA - Excel Male Health Forum

Comparison of Outcomes for Hypogonadal Men Treated with Intramuscular Testosterone Cypionate Versus Subcutaneous Testosterone Enanthate (2020) Introduction Intramuscular testosterone cypionate (IM-TC) is the conventional treatment option for hypogonadal men with baseline serum total...

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Serious concerns on the experimental design and analysis.

Disclosure and bias: I do all injections 29g 0.5 inch VG, DG, or delt (shallow IM). No scarring, no issues. 8 years.

 

[thejumpingsheep]

SubQ is fine if your body can process it with any sort of efficiency. Thats the real problem. Less flow.

I find that I can do any oil SubQ IFF the volume is around 0.25mL or less. This volume will clear out in about 2 days. If I go over that, I get lumps and it takes many more days to clear. When I tried 1mL SubQ it took something like 7-10 days to fully clear and it did get itchy and such. I tried different areas too. Stomach was probably the best and clears out in a week or so probably because I do a lot with core. But areas like love handles were terrible and took far longer to clear out. It wasnt painful or anything but annoying for sure. It depends on your body and volume injected.

My wife does SubQ test-c just fine. Of course she only needs 0.03mL (3 clicks of the insulin pen) every week so its totally trivial.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

SubQ is fine if your body can process it with any sort of efficiency. Thats the real problem. Less flow.

I find that I can do any oil SubQ IFF the volume is around 0.25mL or less. This volume will clear out in about 2 days. If I go over that, I get lumps and it takes many more days to clear. When I tried 1mL SubQ it took something like 7-10 days to fully clear and it did get itchy and such. I tried different areas too. Stomach was probably the best and clears out in a week or so probably because I do a lot with core. But areas like love handles were terrible and took far longer to clear out. It wasnt painful or anything but annoying for sure. It depends on your body and volume injected.

My wife does SubQ test-c just fine. Of course she only needs 0.03mL (3 clicks of the insulin pen) every week so its totally trivial.

Thanks for the good info. If I do end up following through with a sub-q test blast (500mg) it would end up being 0.3ml of oil every day. So not like it’s an absurd amount of oil, and with sub-q theres so many options for injection spots.

Also considering the idea of continuing my EOD sub-q “trt” dose at 175mg/wk and then just adding the remaining 325mg/wk as IM, but idk.

Something just tells me it’s a fundamentally bad idea to change two factors when i’m starting a cycle, one being injection method, and other being injection dose. So atleast I could keep one variable the same lol

 

[Eddie.]

Yes i have done it with a good success. Not test/eq though but test/primo and test/mast. With first combo i was doing 0,4ml every day and with second 0,7 every other day.

Obviously not in stomach, do all your subc oils in glutes and hips. Whatever lums you'll have they re going to be invisible with underwear. It's just the oil depot, i guess the same thing happens intramuscular but since it's deeper we ain't see it.

I've pinned 0,5ml of EQ300 twice subc with zero issues as well as a full cycle of test/tren with the tren A pinned ED subc 0,3ml.

Go ahead and try, if you have any redness or excessive pain or whatever just stop, you either have shitty gear or your body can't handle subc injections.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

Yes i have done it with a good success. Not test/eq though but test/primo and test/mast. With first combo i was doing 0,4ml every day and with second 0,7 every other day.

Obviously not in stomach, do all your subc oils in glutes and hips. Whatever lums you'll have they re going to be invisible with underwear. It's just the oil depot, i guess the same thing happens intramuscular but since it's deeper we ain't see it.

I've pinned 0,5ml of EQ300 twice subc with zero issues as well as a full cycle of test/tren with the tren A pinned ED subc 0,3ml.

Go ahead and try, if you have any redness or excessive pain or whatever just stop, you either have shitty gear or your body can't handle subc injections.

Thank you so much for your response and anecdotal experience with sub-q cycle. This is very reassuring to me that i’m not considering something absolutely retarded. I rarely inject abdomen unless I absolutely feel like I have to, and yes if I develop any lumps which is rare since I only inject 0.2ml of oil EOD currently, its never noticeable.

Have you also done IM cycles? Did you notice any blood work being different for identical cycles of sub-q versus IM? Curious about that too.

 

[Eddie.]

Thank you so much for your response and anecdotal experience with sub-q cycle. This is very reassuring to me that i’m not considering something absolutely retarded. I rarely inject abdomen unless I absolutely feel like I have to, and yes if I develop any lumps which is rare since I only inject 0.2ml of oil EOD currently, its never noticeable.

Have you also done IM cycles? Did you notice any blood work being different for identical cycles of sub-q versus IM? Curious about that too.

You'll be amazed how many of the guys who shot their glutes or ventroglutes with insulin pins while having 15-20% bodyfat think that they do IM but these shots are actually subc.

There's nothing retarted with subc unless you live in 1990 with no internet access. Pharma companies start selling Test E with auto injector specifically for subc. The only difference is absorption time.

I have not a before/after of subc/IM bloodwork to tell you from my own experience but we have here already 2 members who run TRT dosage and with subc they have actually higher total test levels. I don't believe this is the norm but definitely is something positive. Logically, they are doing the same job.

Currently i'm doing IM because oil volume is kinda high for subc but i can't wait for my health phase to lower dosages and do subc.

 

[readalot]

The only difference is absorption time

Flip flop kinetics. Rate constant for absorption lower. Hence effective rate constant for elimination is lower. Rarely do we get AUC measurements head to head for IM vs SQ for equivalent weekly regimen.