Test to EQ Ratio for E2

[120nmol]

What was it on just 500 test?

Yeah

 

[Lilpiggy]

My e2 is 18 on 350EQ and 650Test. Is suspect it’s dropped further since my test which was a month ago. Going to run Dianabol to bring e2 up and raise test 750 lower EQ 300

 

[Slowww]

This is super individual, i can run 750 test and 600EQ and still get like 50-60 E2 with an AI. To be totally certain about your individual condition, starting conservatively and doing blood work to find what ratio you tolerate & its effects on your hormones is probably the most effective way to determine best practice.

 

[ackmack78]

This is super individual, i can run 750 test and 600EQ and still get like 50-60 E2 with an AI. To be totally certain about your individual condition, starting conservatively and doing blood work to find what ratio you tolerate & its effects on your hormones is probably the most effective way to determine best practice.

Seems like it. It's just so random. I am curious to see when I raise the test and EQ if my e2 will come up. Like at a certain point the EQ ai action slows down. Considering increasing the HCG as well I'm on a super low dose like 333iu 2x a week

 

[Slowww]

Seems like it. It's just so random. I am curious to see when I raise the test and EQ if my e2 will come up. Like at a certain point the EQ ai action slows down. Considering increasing the HCG as well I'm on a super low dose like 333iu 2x a week

Yeah honestly I don’t even understand why it is so random, considering we should have science to explain what goes on in the body and what compounds do, but suddenly it’s just not that hahaha.
Why would the use of EQs function on estrogen control diminish at a certain point on people who can use effectively for that purpose ? Im not sure I understand

 

[s2kallday]

Yeah honestly I don’t even understand why it is so random, considering we should have science to explain what goes on in the body and what compounds do, but suddenly it’s just not that hahaha.
Why would the use of EQs function on estrogen control diminish at a certain point on people who can use effectively for that purpose ? Im not sure I understand

It's because the AI effects of EQ are a metabolite. Not everyone metabolizes compounds at the same rate, and there is no saying that your body can metabolize an infinite amount. Safe to say the AI effects *will* cap out at some defined point.

 

[ackmack78]

Yeah honestly I don’t even understand why it is so random, considering we should have science to explain what goes on in the body and what compounds do, but suddenly it’s just not that hahaha.
Why would the use of EQs function on estrogen control diminish at a certain point on people who can use effectively for that purpose ? Im not sure I understand

I have no idea, that's for someone much smarter than me. Ive just seen a few people report it, that when the test gets higher they can run the EQ at a higher ratio as well

 

[ackmack78]

Got my labs back. On 550/200/200 test deca eq e2 was 19.7. So only went up a couple points but I feel much better. This is probably as low as I handle e2.

After my labs came back I did throw an extra dose of HCG into the mix so now I'm taking 333iu 3x a week. In a few weeks I'm gonna push doses to 800/400/300 test deca eq and see if I handle the lower ratio.

 

[sionnach]

Seems like it. It's just so random.

Yeah honestly I don’t even understand why it is so random, considering we should have science to explain what goes on in the body and what compounds do,

It's complicated. Your diet, your workouts, your sleep are all variables in this equation. Add in supplements and any other drugs you're taking, and it's not a simple algorithm. Then there's the variables we haven't even scratched the surface of exploring like sun exposure, stress levels, things in the water and the air...

And then there's

I did throw an extra dose of HCG into the mix

HCG is like adding an extra diceroll, a random number generator that changes the multipliers on all your other variables, making it totally unpredictable.

I completely understand wanting to retain the ability to have kids, but the tradeoff for that is your numbers will be all over the place while you're on it, with no rhyme or reason.

 

[anon55]

To me 3/1 testo/EQ is okay, I can go up to 5/1 without side effect.
The higher the test the higher the EQ and lower the ratio can be without issue for me.
Right now at 1750/700.

 

[npp_enjoyer]

I felt "low e2" on Test and EQ even though my estrogen was in range.
I'm at the point now where all I care about is symptoms, not lab markers, but YMMV.

At one point I was fine with 1:1. At a later point, I used 1.3 : 1 and had low estro symptoms - but the source for the EQ was different, so not really comparable.

I felt more low e2 symptoms on Test+EQ with a higher lab e2 than with an actual low lab e2 on test, mast and adex. That is why I don't pay much attention to the lab work anymore. I don't even get it tested.

 

[ackmack78]

And then there's

HCG is like adding an extra diceroll, a random number generator that changes the multipliers on all your other variables, making it totally unpredictable.

I completely understand wanting to retain the ability to have kids, but the tradeoff for that is your numbers will be all over the place while you're on it, with no rhyme or reason.

Hcg has been perfectly predictable for me. Once I got dialed in on trt my numbers have been predicable. Same with my cycles, just need to dial in if doses are increased or new compounds are added from my last cycle.

I'm purposely adding in more HCG right now to counteract how strong the ai effect of EQ is for me. I want to see if I can push the ratio of EQ to test higher

 

[Ateam2023]

It's complicated. Your diet, your workouts, your sleep are all variables in this equation. Add in supplements and any other drugs you're taking, and it's not a simple algorithm. Then there's the variables we haven't even scratched the surface of exploring like sun exposure, stress levels, things in the water and the air...

And then there's

HCG is like adding an extra diceroll, a random number generator that changes the multipliers on all your other variables, making it totally unpredictable.

I completely understand wanting to retain the ability to have kids, but the tradeoff for that is your numbers will be all over the place while you're on it, with no rhyme or reason.

Hcg does nothing but throw all my numbers outta whack , i don't even attempt to use it anymore, i am perfectly fine with my "raisens as nut saks" lol

 

[sionnach]

I'm purposely adding in more HCG right now to counteract how strong the ai effect of EQ is for me. I want to see if I can push the ratio of EQ to test higher

That's not really how that shit works, but good luck anyway.

 

[ackmack78]

That's not really how that shit works, but good luck anyway.

Why not give it a try though? The HCG helped me before when I crashed my e2 at the beginning of the cycle before I lowered the EQ and raised the test. Common recommendations for crashed e2 are test prop, dbol or hcg

 

[sionnach]

Why not give it a try though? The HCG helped me before when I crashed my e2 at the beginning of the cycle before I lowered the EQ and raised the test. Common recommendations for crashed e2 are test prop, dbol or hcg

Sure, as a short term last-ditch emergency measure if you tanked it to zero by overdoing AIs, just to get a little back in your system and HCG is the only thing in your cabinet, not because it was maybe a little lower than your target, and definitely not in a situation where predictable numbers are your goal. Why not dbol? Why not just pin some e cyp?

 

[Ateam2023]

I just had a e2 test come back 13 , I haven't done anything to "raise" it accept switch to every other day injections of Test c , it will build back up and i feel better as the weeks go by ,

 

[ackmack78]

Sure, as a short term last-ditch emergency measure if you tanked it to zero by overdoing AIs, just to get a little back in your system and HCG is the only thing in your cabinet, not because it was maybe a little lower than your target, and definitely not in a situation where predictable numbers are your goal. Why not dbol? Why not just pin some e cyp?

I don't see dbol as a long term solution for my cycle. If I'm already taking 333iu hcg 2x a week as part of my trt why not add a third dose. It's not like it's an outrageous dose of HCG. 1k iu up to 1500iu is a pretty common hcg dose on trt.
I actually have considered e cyp but waiting for a domestic source to have it.

 

[k710]

I don't see dbol as a long term solution for my cycle. If I'm already taking 333iu hcg 2x a week as part of my trt why not add a third dose. It's not like it's an outrageous dose of HCG. 1k iu up to 1500iu is a pretty common hcg dose on trt.
I actually have considered e cyp but waiting for a domestic source to have it.

hcg only works on intratesticular testosterone levels. I dont think it accurately reflects on any testing (trust me, ive been trying). My life got a lot easier when I hopped off it. The guys referring to it as a wild card are spot on the money.

I wanted to keep my nuts big, thought it was helping with libido and increase load size was nice. Now that I hopped off, the only difference is that my balls are now normal sized.. What did I learn? I had huge balls and they were definitely getting in the way. Seriously though, you balls dont just instantly shrink to a raisin because your not using hcg.

I was in a similar situation as you and decided I needed to get my baseline levels correct before introducing hcg again. Shit was spiking my e2 and growing me tiddies while my estrogen went from 20 to 60 to 9. I was making adjustments based on 4-6 week labs over and over again not realizing my numbers were being skewed. I suffered pretty much all the side effects imaginable during my first cycle because of hcg.

Crashed e2 resolves quickly once cycle is corrected. I think it was like 5-7 days. Keep in mind I dropped my test dose by 100mg, dropped eq entirely and dropped hcg entirely at the same time as well. Hope your feeling dialed in soon brother

 

[ackmack78]

hcg only works on intratesticular testosterone levels. I dont think it accurately reflects on any testing (trust me, ive been trying). My life got a lot easier when I hopped off it. The guys referring to it as a wild card are spot on the money.

I wanted to keep my nuts big, thought it was helping with libido and increase load size was nice. Now that I hopped off, the only difference is that my balls are now normal sized.. What did I learn? I had huge balls and they were definitely getting in the way. Seriously though, you balls dont just instantly shrink to a raisin because your not using hcg.

I was in a similar situation as you and decided I needed to get my baseline levels correct before introducing hcg again. Shit was spiking my e2 and growing me tiddies while my estrogen went from 20 to 60 to 9. I was making adjustments based on 4-6 week labs over and over again not realizing my numbers were being skewed. I suffered pretty much all the side effects imaginable during my first cycle because of hcg.

Crashed e2 resolves quickly once cycle is corrected. I think it was like 5-7 days. Keep in mind I dropped my test dose by 100mg, dropped eq entirely and dropped hcg entirely at the same time as well. Hope your feeling dialed in soon brother

I think you misunderstood. I'm dialed in on my trt and previous cycles with HCG. My issue now was that EQ crashed my e2 at the beginning of this cycle so I used some HCG to bring it back up and adjusted my test to eq ratio and now that issue has been resolved for weeks.

So I'm feeling good but my labs came back at 19.7 e2 which means I don't have a lot of room to play with before I'm low. My main goal is to run EQ higher so I can see what it can do. So what I'm trying is to see if I increase my HCG if I can reduce the ratio of test to eq. I'm at 550 200 200 test eq deca right now and want to push to 800 400 300 test EQ deca. Last time a 2:1 test to eq ratio crashed my estrogen so I'm seeing if some extra HCG will let me run a 2:1 ratio.

The HCG is nothing crazy, I'm going from 500iu a week to 1kiu which is well within normal HCG dosing. TRT prescribed will often prescribe 500iu 3x a week