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Foreverlost4
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Just quit gear bro you be on every source page complaining.
I agree @OEP LABS this would be very helpful.
But at least there is hormone so thank you very much
AbsoluteKnight
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You’re a hor that won’t stop mone-ing is the problem :/
BigDadd7
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As usual, no proof. What a scammer clown.
sionnach
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Rogal69
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It’s perfect
AllGoodThings
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Check it out, I found a way to make something you said look like truth!
bigdaddyandfriends
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If you have any doubts about the dosing, regardless of source, get it tested by Jano or Analiza Bialek.
There is no available test to see the actual biodistribution of injected testosterone in your body. Blood work only shows the newly released test from prior injections plus spillover test within the plasma, not how much is actually bound to AR actually doing something. The true test reference range should probably be 750-1500, if we could examine bodies from hundreds of years ago before there were ubiquitous endocrine disruptors. Save for very large pro BBs w/ 250+ pounds of muscle, taking doses that push your total beyond 1500 or so will likely just contribute to higher plasma levels without much added benefit. Chase Irons proved this pretty well with his 20,000 test experiment - he didn't end up looking like Ronnie Coleman from that. E2 and DHT conversion also saturate at some point, where there will no increase in levels with more test.
Obviously my philosophy on this is to take enough testosterone to get the DHT and estrogen you want, then use synthetic androgens which are far superior for muscle building and strength and relatively less androgenic on top - with the standouts there being DHB, tren, and MENT (w/ aromasin), along with mast for reducing water retention and countering unwanted estrogenic effects. Primo availability is poor and it's way too expensive for what it offers, as it's quite weak and E2 control is highly variable from one person to another, it can be a good option for those who get a strong AI effect from it, same with boldenone. Otherwise might as well use compounds that give a lot more bang for the buck, and control E2 with aromasin which is much more reliable, orally available, and has active androgen metabolites particularly good for bone.
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Photon
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Wouldn't this result in everyone running trt levels of T and blasting Tren?
Tdeck81
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OEP needs to put this up on a MESO banner. You will never get a better endorsement. Mr. your gear sucks basically gave you an A+.
Read ppl geez lol
OEP LABS
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Sooner or later…..Im going to make him a believer, even if it takes giving him 200mg of MeNt per day
. Speaking of…..I saw a lead for Ment couple night ago. See what I can hunt down tonight
bigdaddyandfriends
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Depends on your definition of TRT I suppose. Replacement theory should typically be 105-175mg/wk - that's what will put most people at the upper end of (current) reference range without need for estrogen control.
Clinics giving average men 200-250mg/wk is not technically TRT, as nearly everyone will be supraphysiologic on that with total T in the 1200-1500 range. I guess the clinic code name for this 'sports TRT'. Most men that aren't already very muscular and lean will need E2 control at these doses; typically there is a honeymoon period after initiating TRT, then problems set in - mostly with libido/EQ/ED. Anastrozole, which is not an AI men should really use, is then handed out like candy. This exact thing happened to me early in my journey, when I raised my natural T levels from 4xx to 8xx using enclomiphene. It was great - until my estrogen went way out of range. Most dick problems in TRT patients and steroid users are related to high estrogen; typically this occurs well before gyno develops.
If you look at what testosterone does in the body, it is (1) the primary muscle building anabolic, (2) the prohormone for DHT which is the body's apex androgen with tissue specific generation by 5⍺R (notably in the brain and reproductive organs, and unfortunately the skin/scalp), and (3) the prohormone for estradiol. That's it.
There are only a few compounds more effective at building muscle than testosterone on a per mg basis - DHB, tren, and MENT. So these can be used to replace/supplement #1. They are potent and dosing needs to be respected, when taken in excess the reward:risk profile inverts. Using multiple compounds (all in my case) allows me to keep the dose of each very low.
Nothing can replace testosterone for #2. DHT 'derivatives' do not function in any way like DHT, functionally attenuated testosterone for muscle building with lost ability to convert locally to estradiol or DHT. All in this class have some inherent anti-estrogen activity, mostly via inhibitory modulation of ER-driven transcription; this is why these drugs were/are used to treat metastatic ER+ breast cancer.
Only MENT can replace testosterone for #3, and it's not bioidentical estradiol but functions identically with similar binding affinity and ER⍺/ERβ activation, albeit with significantly higher potency via transcriptional activation. As with 5⍺R, expression of aromatase varies considerably in different tissues, and local conversion is lost with injections. The most extreme example of this is actually in women; ovarian theca cells produce androgens that are taken up by granulosa cells which have extremely high levels of aromatase, resulting in near complete conversion to estrogens... Even women can only create estrogens from androgens, the human body cannot directly create estrogens.
All that said, yes I prefer to use enough test to get my DHT levels where I want, add other compounds to that which are more effective for physique enhancement even at low doses, and use Aromasin to control estrogen (because of MENT use). I also use mast, it is somewhat anabolic (less so that test, but more so than primo in me) but I use it mainly for its subQ drying effect and some ER⍺ inhibition at the tissue level, primarily in the breasts as a little gyno insurance.
Ooo yeah could use 2-3 vials for emergencySooner or later…..Im going to make him a believer, even if it takes giving him 200mg of MeNt per day
Speaking of…..I saw a lead for Ment couple night ago. See what I can hunt down tonight
As self proclaimed Head HR representative of @OEP LABS this will not turn into a AI foolery thread we talk about manly topics and relevant gear talk in this thread very tight community amongst the few
I don’t see how yall don’t have pipsqueak on ignore him and lordnigus on ignore @OEP LABS u ever see lordnigus he’s a begger for freebies and a thread spammer over in the monkeys threads
AllbrandNew
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Can confirm. I got called in once for 'GIF related concerns' and my permanent record was noted.
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