Off season tbol thoughts

[Loggg]

About to start a off season cycle for 20weeks and looking to pack on as much tissue as possible of 600 test 300 primo 300npp and 50mg tbol for 6 weeks was thinking of swapping out the npp and tbol for 150 tren for 6 weeks then adding back in the npp because Im hearing such negative results from tbol what're every ones thoughts on tbol? And what has it done for you

 

[the_pope]

Turinabol is not a bad oral per se, but it doesn't pack as much mass as dianabol or anadrol. I have no experience with tren, so I can't comment on that, but IMO both dbol and tbol have their place in a cycle: dbol for bulks, tbol for cuts/clean bulks.

Sounds like you're on a bulk, so I'd go with dbol if you have it available, but if you only have the tbol, you might as well use it.

I almost forgot: the other reason to use tbol over dbol in a bulk is if you're a high aromatizer. Personally, I can deal with estrogen when taking 20-50 mg dbol just fine. But there are people that aromatize like crazy.

 

[Loggg]

Turinabol is not a bad oral per se, but it doesn't pack as much mass as dianabol or anadrol. I have no experience with tren, so I can't comment on that, but IMO both dbol and tbol have their place in a cycle: dbol for bulks, tbol for cuts/clean bulks.

Sounds like you're on a bulk, so I'd go with dbol if you have it available, but if you only have the tbol, you might as well use it.

I almost forgot: the other reason to use tbol over dbol in a bulk is if you're a high aromatizer. Personally, I can deal with estrogen when taking 20-50 mg dbol just fine. But there are people that aromatize like crazy.

I mean all I really care about is putting on true lean tissue so when you say dbol puts on more size are you referring to water and tissue?

 

[the_pope]

I mean all I really care about is putting on true lean tissue so when you say dbol puts on more size are you referring to water and tissue?

I'm talking about lean tissue gains here. I know dbol makes you gain a lot of water weight, but in my experience even after losing the water weight, dbol still puts more mass (lean tissue) than tbol. Anadrol too, although that one I've used less than dbol.

I should add tho, that when I've used dbol or tbol I was using only that and 500-800 mg of test. I think I ran dbol once with test + EQ, but that's it. I'm saying this because you're running a lot of different compounds and I have no experience with that. But my experience with orals is dbol > tbol for bulking.

 

[BabaJagga]

isnt anadrol supposed to be THE oral if you wanna add size & strenght?
sure, lot of it will be wet weight that will go away after but it should be better for actual tissue than tbol, right?

I'm talking about lean tissue gains here. I know dbol makes you gain a lot of water weight, but in my experience even after losing the water weight, dbol still puts more mass (lean tissue) than tbol. Anadrol too, although that one I've used less than dbol.

I should add tho, that when I've used dbol or tbol I was using only that and 500-800 mg of test. I think I ran dbol once with test + EQ, but that's it. I'm saying this because you're running a lot of different compounds and I have no experience with that. But my experience with orals is dbol > tbol for bulking.

 

[Eddie.]

If you want to add true muscle tissues, make sure you’re in a good surplus with proper macros and quality food, train like a beast, sleep like a baby and crank up the injectables. Don’t rely on orals, especially tbol is the milder of those I’ve tried. 50mg a day and I just had slightly better pumps, like taking a non stim pre workout lol.

With tbol and your proposed cycle you’re a little higher than 1,5gr. You would do better with 750 test, 400 primo and 400 npp. Just my thoughts.

Now, if last couple weeks you still want to use some oral on top of a good base of injectables and be naughty, I’d suggest some anadrol or dbol.

 

[BabaJagga]

Now, if last couple weeks you still want to use some oral on top of a good base of injectables and be naughty, I’d suggest some anadrol

you, sir, are mind reader.

 

[Loggg]

If you want to add true muscle tissues, make sure you’re in a good surplus with proper macros and quality food, train like a beast, sleep like a baby and crank up the injectables. Don’t rely on orals, especially tbol is the milder of those I’ve tried. 50mg a day and I just had slightly better pumps, like taking a non stim pre workout lol.

With tbol and your proposed cycle you’re a little higher than 1,5gr. You would do better with 750 test, 400 primo and 400 npp. Just my thoughts.

Now, if last couple weeks you still want to use some oral on top of a good base of injectables and be naughty, I’d suggest some anadrol or dbol.

I'm honestly just mainly using it as a kick start to get the ball rolling then once 5-6 week marks hit gonna adjust injects le doses

 

[adversi]

kickstarts in 2025

 

[the_pope]

isnt anadrol supposed to be THE oral if you wanna add size & strenght?
sure, lot of it will be wet weight that will go away after but it should be better for actual tissue than tbol, right?

Yeah, anadrol is probably the stronger one, I just have more experience with dbol, which is a close second and an excellent oral.

I'm honestly just mainly using it as a kick start to get the ball rolling then once 5-6 week marks hit gonna adjust injects le doses

I don't do kickstarts myself, but I see tbol more at the end of the cycle as a finisher for pumps and definition. Not the best oral for a kickstart IMO.

 

[Eddie.]

I'm honestly just mainly using it as a kick start to get the ball rolling then once 5-6 week marks hit gonna adjust injects le doses

Nah, I’m not a fan at all with orals kickstart or frontloading injectables. You want more milligrams towards the end of the phase, not on the start. Same as food, you’d never start an off season with 5000 calories and end up at 4000.

In the beginning you’re fresh, build up your strength as you progress and when you stall titrate the food and the milligrams to push through.

 

[BabaJagga]

Yeah, anadrol is probably the stronger one, I just have more experience with dbol, which is a close second and an excellent oral.


I don't do kickstarts myself, but I see tbol more at the end of the cycle as a finisher for pumps and definition. Not the best oral for a kickstart IMO.

dbol is popular here, that instant size & strenght is something that people like.
i havent tried it yet. too wet for my taste tbh

but i plan to finish this growth phase with abombs for last 4 weeks. should be fun.

Nah, I’m not a fan at all with orals kickstart or frontloading injectables. You want more milligrams towards the end of the phase, not on the start. Same as food, you’d never start an off season with 5000 calories and end up at 4000.

In the beginning you’re fresh, build up your strength as you progress and when you stall titrate the food and the milligrams to push through.

agree with you mate. also, if orals fuckup your appetite, its contraproductive i think.
same with training, one dont wanna go balls to the walls, max volume from start.

 

[IndividualMan]

About to start a off season cycle for 20weeks and looking to pack on as much tissue as possible of 600 test 300 primo 300npp and 50mg tbol for 6 weeks was thinking of swapping out the npp and tbol for 150 tren for 6 weeks then adding back in the npp because Im hearing such negative results from tbol what're every ones thoughts on tbol? And what has it done for you

Tbol is meh.
I personally have tried it up to 50mg/day, and compared to any other oral i have tried it has the strangest effects. Pumps feel empty, I cramp easily after the first week of taking 50mg, endurance is up but just slightly, strength isnt really up, size isnt really different.

It is great if you like calisthenics and want to set a pullup/dip PR and cannot gain weight under any circumsances, but other than that i do not see any reason to do Tbol.

The compound feels like a letdown to me, and I really tried to like it.
No extra size/weight (comparing baseline test+110mg extra test vs baseline test +50 Tbol daily), little 1RM strength increases, no crazy look, just feeling slightly pissy all the time.

Stick with Adrol or Dbol, or if you really do not care about your liver you could consider adding Sdrol at 5-10mg/day for a week or two. for funsies. Sdrol ALWAYS works for putting on large amounts of lean tissue in short perios of time.

 

[Photon]

I've don't feel anything even on 120mg tbol.
I just take it now just to finish up my stash.

Probably better off with 25mg var or adrol if you're looking for something..

 

[Loggg]

I've don't feel anything even on 120mg tbol.
I just take it now just to finish up my stash.

Probably better off with 25mg var or adrol if you're looking for something..

Var completely tanks my hdl like by 60-70% even at 20mg that's why I was thinking of tbol cause supposedly its a lot friendlier on lipids and don't wanna completely fuck up my markers at the start of cycle

 

[IndividualMan]

Var completely tanks my hdl like by 60-70% even at 20mg that's why I was thinking of tbol cause supposedly its a lot friendlier on lipids and don't wanna completely fuck up my markers at the start of cycle

do not take orals at the start of the cycle, man.
End the cycle with a bang, Adrol or Dbol when bulking (will help you break the last few strength plateaus you wanna break), or a tiny bit of winstrol or Sdrol when cutting(will help you look sick).
Save yourself from the Tbol disappointment, and save yourself from fucking up a good mass building cycle by doing orals in the beginning and fucking your health markers.

 

[Ricky93]

Nah, I’m not a fan at all with orals kickstart or frontloading injectables. You want more milligrams towards the end of the phase, not on the start. Same as food, you’d never start an off season with 5000 calories and end up at 4000.

In the beginning you’re fresh, build up your strength as you progress and when you stall titrate the food and the milligrams to push through.

I've seen some guys on YouTube saying more or less the same. Back in the day everyone wanted to kickstart/frontload shit because of suppression. Now everyone is on TRT, they are adding orals at the end of the cycle to break plateus.