4 or 8 ui for fatloss

Necessary?

No way?

It might help with some things, but it is not going to the the difference between not making progress and making progress.

Figure out how to make progress. Then consistently make progress. One you have that figured out, then consider adding growth hormone. Its biggest benefit is you do not get flat when cutting.

The bodybuilders in the 1970s cut for contests without growth hormone.

You are already taking excess testosterone. Now give your body the other two things it needs, protein and intense training, and you ought to be growing some muscle. That will help with your body composition, too.

Then play with your diet (as I outlined above) and your cardio to manipulate your body fat levels.

Good luck!
 
Necessary?

No way?

It might help with some things, but it is not going to the the difference between not making progress and making progress.

Figure out how to make progress. Then consistently make progress. One you have that figured out, then consider adding growth hormone. Its biggest benefit is you do not get flat when cutting.

The bodybuilders in the 1970s cut for contests without growth hormone.

You are already taking excess testosterone. Now give your body the other two things it needs, protein and intense training, and you ought to be growing some muscle. That will help with your body composition, too.

Then play with your diet (as I outlined above) and your cardio to manipulate your body fat levels.

Good luck!
Ty bro, im gonna try do what you told me
 
For fat loss, bringing GH on board when you're already on a GLP1 is not gonna move the needle much

GLP1s do almost all of the heavy lifting in this context

(by all means go for it, blast away, just manage expectations)
Hmm i see, i never used hgh so i dont know what to expect, some People say it melt fat others says it doesnt do much.. in your opnion its best to use more ui for less time or 4 ui more for 6 months more or less ?
 
Hmm i see, i never used hgh so i dont know what to expect, some People say it melt fat others says it doesnt do much.. in your opnion its best to use more ui for less time or 4 ui more for 6 months more or less ?

Use as much GH as you can afford and tolerate
 
I already using reta 8mg, i was told that hgh + reta is a good combo, thats why i wanted to add
If you’re not runnin’ any test, this stuff’s good for holdin’ on to what you already built. Helps your body use the protein better, especially if you struggle gettin’ enough protein in. The lipolysis also makes you feel a bit better while cuttin’ on reta. I wouldn’t go over 2, maybe 2 and a half IU, no sense pushin’ it till ye’re dealin’ with side effects and riskin’ trouble in your case.
 
Yes im new, never used before, do you think its worth for fat loss ? 8 ui for 3 4 months
How long have you been on Reta?

HGH is a loooong game for what you’re wanting out of it. It’s a start slow, especially since you’ve never taken it.. and titrate up to what you can handle.
 
If you’re not runnin’ any test, this stuff’s good for holdin’ on to what you already built. Helps your body use the protein better, especially if you struggle gettin’ enough protein in. The lipolysis also makes you feel a bit better while cuttin’ on reta. I wouldn’t go over 2, maybe 2 and a half IU, no sense pushin’ it till ye’re dealin’ with side effects and riskin’ trouble in your case.
Im using test too
 
What do you weigh? How tall are you? Are you taking anything else? If so, for how long?

Are you male or female?

How long have you been training?

How much cardio do you do?

Why 1500kcals daily? How did you arrive at that number? Of what is it made up, that is, what are you eating and drinking? How do you track?

How much weight did you lose in the last week? What about the week before that? And before that? And the week before that?

How long have you been cutting?

What is it that you suppose the HGH will actually do to change the progress or lack of progress you noted in the paragraph above, and what do you suppose the difference would be between 4 and 8 iu?

What is your history with hgh?
Don't listen that shit, take 2 vials a day and eat 500kcals less. You will lose that fat asap, along with your money and a shitload of muscle.
 
You can do it different ways. For example, I cut very quickly one time using 250, 125, 0. No deviation. A 3 day carb cycle. I did not do that one again, because I found I did not need to be that restrictive on carbs to cut (but wow, it worked quickly, like 6 weeks to single digit body fat quickly).
Is this with the same calories or removing the calories from carbs? I mean like say it was 2000 cals for the sake of simplicity, was it through the whole week 2000 with the calores reduced from the carbs adjusted to more fats and protein, or did you remove the carbs and reduce the daily calorie intake? So did your calorie intake reduce by 500 (125g carbs) every day and then back up, or did it remain constant? Hope that made sense.
 
Im using test too
I’d save the higher HGH doses for when you’re eatin’ in surplus. You can still run 2 IU if you want, but it’s not really needed unless you’ve got a lot of unnatural size to hold onto or you’re drivin’ the calories way down. The lower you go in cals, the more it’ll help though. You’ll recover better, feel sharper, and not as shite, be able to do more work, and you’ll hold onto your muscle easier since it works together with your test and helps your body make better use of the protein intake.
 
Is this with the same calories or removing the calories from carbs? I mean like say it was 2000 cals for the sake of simplicity, was it through the whole week 2000 with the calores reduced from the carbs adjusted to more fats and protein, or did you remove the carbs and reduce the daily calorie intake? So did your calorie intake reduce by 500 (125g carbs) every day and then back up, or did it remain constant? Hope that made sense.


At:

250
125
0

It absolutely reduced calories. That is not much to eat, and, as I said above, I never did it that way again (it worked, but it is way too restrictive for the body size I had at the time).

No, I did not keep my calorie intake constant by raising fats or anything like that. The whole point is to reduce calorie intake over a week or two week period (instead of each and every day).

Re-read what I posted above, and you will see that I always kept protein high (especially while cutting) and fats low. Then I adjust carbs to manipulate body fat, not adjust protein, fats, and carbs.

Protein high

Fats low

Carbs as needed for goals.

But here is why it worked for me - the 125 day kind of sucked, but the 0 day absolutely sucked, especially if it landed on leg day. I did not make any allowances for what day it was. No deviations. If 0 carb day fell on leg day, so be it. I sucked it up and hit the gym and trained intensely. But while suffering through a 0 carb day (not even a tablespoon of milk in my morning tea or coffee), I could do it because it was only one day, and I knew the next morning I would have this very large, almost difficult to finish, bowl of oatmeal and two slices of Dave's Killer Bread with my eggs for breakfast. The next day was 250 grams of carbs day, and it felt like heaven, and I could dream of it all day on the 0 carb day.

The way I looked at it, I could suffer anything for one day. Tomorrow is high carb day!

It was just a mental trick to cut quickly and get through the suffering with one day that was above maintenance but still lower calories over the 3 days than if I had kept carbs the same each day. It was also easier for me than eating 125 grams of carbs each day (which would be the same calories over three days).

Like I said, there are many other ways to do it, and most of them are better than 250, 125, 0. I just threw it out there as something that I tried, an experiment, and it worked.

CONCLUSION

Cycling carbs while upping fats to make up for the calorie reduction is counterproductive. Doing so will undermine your goals and create nothing but failure and frustration.

You have to get calories down. That is how this works. You also need, for best results, to keep protein high. Yes, that just means you will not be enjoying your food if you are serious about getting lean. Food will become a tool you use to accomplish your goals, not an enjoyable "foodie" moment to photograph and post on social media.

All the other stuff, even steroids, but certainly hgh, is just an add on. Without reducing the number of calories you consume, you are not going to get there. You can out eat steroids and growth hormone easily.

GLP-1 drugs are not an exception to this rule. The difference is that these drugs reduce the number of calories you eat by getting rid of the urge to eat. Many here encourage their use. I have not tried them and cannot comment. All I will say is that you certainly do not need them. Beyond that, I will not make any claims except to observe that if they hinder your protein intake from real food, then they may be holding you back from the absolute best body composition that you might otherwise have <--- something you will never know about when you hit your lean goal and have plenty of muscle and look the best you ever have, but you never know how much better you might have looked with an extra 50 grams of protein daily from real food over that 4 month journey . . . The age old battle between the seen and the unseen.
 
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It is better to use 8 ui for 3 months or 4 ui for six for fat loss ?

I dont know yet, but gonna do bloods tomorrow, how much base ifg1 is Good?

I use 3 iu daily, and it does what I want. I used 4-6 when I was bodybuilding (and sometimes 0). 8 strikes me as a little nuts unless you are an advanced bodybuilder and are seeing whether running this high will give you another edge beyond everything else you are already doing.

If your IGF-1 is already good, it probably will not do much for you.

My natural IGF-1 is very, very low, and my conversion rate also is low, so 3 iu probably puts me around where most would be without using any hgh at all.
 
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Are you making progress still, losing weight every week? Like a 0.5 kg a week to 1 kg a week?

For your food tracking, macros, how many grams of protein a day are you consuming? Fats? Carbohydrates?

Are you weight training, and are you making progress on your weight training? Are the weights increasing?

Very little progress, 160g protein, 175 carbs,
Very little progress, 160g protein, 175 carbs, fats very little, no progress in weight, remains the same

I do not know if it is a language issue, or you avoided the question, but you missed the most important thing asked, "losing weight every week? Like a 0.5 kg a week to 1 kg a week?"

Did you lose weight over the last week? What about the week prior? And the week before that?

Getting weekly progress going is way more important than answering this growth hormone dosage question.

Have you tried raising your protein up from 160 grams yet? Was it difficult to accomplish? It will get easier with time and effort.

Just FYI, my wife as a wellness competitor ate 225 grams of protein daily, and she is a tiny little thing (157 cm). 160 grams of protein daily is not cutting it for a large male bodybuilder looking to build muscle or retain muscle in a cut. On 250 mg of testosterone a week, you will build if you get enough protein and sufficient training stimulus.

Let's focus on what we know works. Get the protein up. Track carefully. Look for weekly progress, a consistent trend in the right direction.

Since you have been on the testosterone for a while, we do not need to worry about added water weight (something to look out for with hgh, when you start it, the scale will shoot up with additional water)
 

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