What compound changed your physique the most?

[ChemBB]

superdrol 100%

The real answer, finally someone posts it!
At least if we are talking about "rapid, short-term changes".

Sdrol's motto is: "The best I ever looked, and the worst I ever felt..."

I think you can side-step the horrible fatigue/lethargy if you use low-dose (5-10mg) injectable, similar to how you can do this with M-Tren.

But I've not had the opportunity to try injectable S-drol. It's high on my to-do list.

Speaking of M-Tren, that's probably a close second.
In my experience, for rapid drastic physique changes:

Sdrol > M-Tren > Anadrol

 

[ChemBB]

ment has been the best for just growing. For me it’s like a wet tren in terms of strength increases and only a quarter of a milliliter is needed. Without the psychological side effects

This has been my experience pretty on the dot, though I did do one cut with high MENT solo and it went well (avatar pic is from this)

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

With all this ment talk, how does it affect you guys mentally. I’ve always heard of guys getting more aggressive than tren, so I’ve stayed away.

Is there anyone who’d run ment before tren, weighing side effects?

 

[ChemBB]

With all this ment talk, how does it affect you guys mentally. I’ve always heard of guys getting more aggressive than tren, so I’ve stayed away.

Is there anyone who’d run ment before tren, weighing side effects?

Closest thing to MENT "feels" in my experiences are Dbol/Mast

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

The real answer, finally someone posts it!
At least if we are talking about "rapid, short-term changes".

Sdrol's motto is: "The best I ever looked, and the worst I ever felt..."

I think you can side-step the horrible fatigue/lethargy if you use low-dose (5-10mg) injectable, similar to how you can do this with M-Tren.

But I've not had the opportunity to try injectable S-drol. It's high on my to-do list.

Speaking of M-Tren, that's probably a close second.
In my experience, for rapid drastic physique changes:

Sdrol > M-Tren > Anadrol

I’ve wanted to try 5mg ED but wasn’t sure if it was even worth it. And what is actually kept after the fact. Seems more like a summer body compound.

 

[RockyP]

Never run MENT before but a few guys I know (myself included) with baseline irritable moods feel actually much calmer / happier on tren. Dont ask me why...

 

[ChemBB]

I’ve wanted to try 5mg ED but wasn’t sure if it was even worth it. And what is actually kept after the fact. Seems more like a summer body compound.

Sdrol gives you this mutant, freaky-full + vascular look that does fade after usage, but the lean tissue and strength you will keep

Like I said, oral feels very toxic. I've run Sdrol half a dozen times, and at 20mg a day I start to feel like shit after about a week. Plus the lower back pumps are so bad I can't train lower body.

If and when I do it again, I'll try 5-10mg injectable.

Because it's similar with M-Tren. 1mg oral and I start to feel it taxing me after a few weeks.

Whereas I've run 1mg inject M-Tren for 6-8 weeks and felt fantastic the entire time.

 

[newguy2]

It's definitely toxic, no getting around that.

I had this conversation with a coach yesterday tho - guys taking 600 - 1000 mg masteron weekly instead of tren are not exactly winning over guys taking 20 mg tren daily. masteron / DHT's wreck HDL also. Lots of us are on aggressive lipid lowering treatment to minimize LDL impact. In terms of the "same results" at least aesthetically I think the only thing that comes close to tren would be a combination of mast and winny, both of which are going to wreck the lipid profile also. Now we can get into the details of all the other tren related toxicities (there are many), but at a dosage of less than 140 mg per week run for 4 to 6 weeks, i'm curious as to what the other options would be to achieve that same look / results. They seem to all include other lipid-killing compounds that are similarly toxic at the effective dosages needed to approximate tren. Hell even 50 mg of winny per day is 2x the total weekly androgen load of a 20 mg daily tren ace.

I was under the impression the mast was somewhat easy on lipids. I don't plan to take more than a few 100mg probably.

The talk of tren in here sure is tempting. But I'm not sure it's worth the risks in my case.

 

[TheCup]

Testosterone is the obvious answer, but I would say HGH, because it improved everything else.

 

[RockyP]

Agree. This mast is safe and tren is toxic logic is pretty dumb. So 1000 mast is still safe and 140 tren still toxic, that's absurd. It's all dose dependent.

I definitely agree 140 tren would be safer than 600+ mast. Using the term "safe" it's only for justifying extreme dosages, which actually are far from it.

I'd take 140 tren A over 500 mast any day, in terms of physical changes and feelz.

I think what's been lost is that taking a shitload of a "relatively" mild drug is not safer than microdosing a more harsh compound. If you listen to Kurt Havens, Justin Harris, and others, they all have said in one way or another that there really is no ceiling dose of primo other than the fact that you need to use more test to compensate for the E2 effects. I would say that on most metrics of toxicity feelz that is provably true, but I would want to see the LFT's, lipid panels, and un-medicated blood pressure readings of guys running 1500 test / 1000 primo or something like that. When people refer to drugs that are "safe" I think when they say it they may have something else in mind than what the listener does. Jewett is always talking about how safe primo and mast are, but we all know that when you run those compounds at the dosages he and other open guys do, you are laying down gobs of arterial plaque if you also dont have your LDL buried.

End of the day though is finding how our bodies respond individually. Some guys can run a lot of tren and feel fine with minimal bloodwork / BP issues. Some guys run 200 mast and their hair falls out. Some guys run 300 test and their HCT goes to 56. Then there's this issue of HCT actually dropping for guys running high dosages of EQ. What we don't know about these compounds can fill a book. And the only way to know is to try in a slow / careful manner.

 

[RockyP]

I was under the impression the mast was somewhat easy on lipids. I don't plan to take more than a few 100mg probably.

The talk of tren in here sure is tempting. But I'm not sure it's worth the risks in my case.

From what I have seen myself and heard from others, Mast at around 300 or less per week may not hit the lipids that hard, but when you get to 600+ it's likely to crush lipids like other DHT drugs. Only way to know is to try it and check your bloodwork. Running something like 300 test / 300 mast (or less) is a great stack and should give you some idea of how it impacts you. But i'd save the mast for when you are already pretty lean.

 

[newguy2]

From what I have seen myself and heard from others, Mast at around 300 or less per week may not hit the lipids that hard, but when you get to 600+ it's likely to crush lipids like other DHT drugs. Only way to know is to try it and check your bloodwork. Running something like 300 test / 300 mast (or less) is a great stack and should give you some idea of how it impacts you. But i'd save the mast for when you are already pretty lean.

Thanks man that's helpful. Just finished my first cycle of test only. Titrated up to 600mg at the end. Currently holding and soon going to cut to about 10%bf.

Debating after that if I should just run test again or as in a second compound.

 

[sliderke]

With all this ment talk, how does it affect you guys mentally. I’ve always heard of guys getting more aggressive than tren, so I’ve stayed away.

Is there anyone who’d run ment before tren, weighing side effects?

I am more on edge ( not aggressive but faster irritated when something doesn’t go as intended) with ment than with tren. Tren E for some reason makes me calm.
But tren breaks my cardio and ment does not.

 

[RockyP]

Thanks man that's helpful. Just finished my first cycle of test only. Titrated up to 600mg at the end. Currently holding and soon going to cut to about 10%bf.

Debating after that if I should just run test again or as in a second compound.

most of us can achieve our physique goals with nothing but test and something to control E2 (whether it's an AI or something like EQ / primo). Adding additional androgens (including just running up the test dosage) helps during cutting to preserve lean mass, but as much as we love to use all the fun goodies, stuff like tren is really not totally necessary. If you're getting lean and looking for a "hardener" things to consider would be mast, primo, anavar, winny, tren, etc. Lots of guys use anavar as they tolerate it best out of all of these. But test is best. You can just run it again since it worked and you know how it effects you - then you can always add in one of these hardeners for the last 4 to 6 weeks if you like. But they all will hit your lipids.

 

[Slowww]

With all this ment talk, how does it affect you guys mentally. I’ve always heard of guys getting more aggressive than tren, so I’ve stayed away.

Is there anyone who’d run ment before tren, weighing side effects?

Naw i dont get any weird mental stuff compared to tren lol. Maybe a bit more sentimental but definitely not aggressive. Nothing noticeable in day to day life like tren or halo.

 

[wells14]

Agree. This mast is safe and tren is toxic logic is pretty dumb. So 1000 mast is still safe and 140 tren still toxic, that's absurd. It's all dose dependent.

I definitely agree 140 tren would be safer than 600+ mast. Using the term "safe" it's only for justifying extreme dosages, which actually are far from it.

I'd take 140 tren A over 500 mast any day, in terms of physical changes and feelz.

Toxicity aside, all the guys I've seen blasting mast year-round end up looking like literal ogres. Most notably Todd Lee, John Jewett, Josh Bridgeman. I don't think its just the GH. I'd rather suffer some temporary organ toxicity than look like Shrek for the rest of my life. That said I'm running mast (low dose) and don't plan to take it out any time soon.

 

[Slowww]

Toxicity aside, all the guys I've seen blasting mast year-round end up looking like literal ogres. Most notably Todd Lee, John Jewett, Josh Bridgeman. I don't think its just the GH. I'd rather suffer some temporary organ toxicity than look like Shrek for the rest of my life. That said I'm running mast (low dose) and don't plan to take it out any time soon.

To be fair a lot of guys who don’t use gear look like ogres, just way less jacked and a lot of open competitors who are basically permablasting look totally normal

 

[amazonas]

Pfizer Genotropin without a doubt

 

[newguy2]

most of us can achieve our physique goals with nothing but test and something to control E2 (whether it's an AI or something like EQ / primo). Adding additional androgens (including just running up the test dosage) helps during cutting to preserve lean mass, but as much as we love to use all the fun goodies, stuff like tren is really not totally necessary. If you're getting lean and looking for a "hardener" things to consider would be mast, primo, anavar, winny, tren, etc. Lots of guys use anavar as they tolerate it best out of all of these. But test is best. You can just run it again since it worked and you know how it effects you - then you can always add in one of these hardeners for the last 4 to 6 weeks if you like. But they all will hit your lipids.

Thanks that's helpful and mostly what I'm thinking as far as just sticking with test. But there is always the curiouosity of what else is out there.

I kind of like the idea of a hardener towards the end. My goal for the cut is to just run trt with reta. Hopefully don't lose too many gains.

 

[BigDadd7]

Thanks that's helpful and mostly what I'm thinking as far as just sticking with test. But there is always the curiouosity of what else is out there.

I kind of like the idea of a hardener towards the end. My goal for the cut is to just run trt with reta. Hopefully don't lose too many gains.

Great plan