What compound changed your physique the most?

[RockyP]

Thanks that's helpful and mostly what I'm thinking as far as just sticking with test. But there is always the curiouosity of what else is out there.

I kind of like the idea of a hardener towards the end. My goal for the cut is to just run trt with reta. Hopefully don't lose too many gains.

That will be fine. Unless you have added a lot of tissue beyond your genetic limit with PED's and need more than TRT to maintain that extra tissue while cutting, TRT with GLP is going to be more than adequate. It gets more tricky (really you'd just need a little more test) if you are cutting and you have extra mass on your frame that you added with using PEDs. If you dont eat / plan properly with your stack you can lose a good amount of that extra tissue on a cut.

 

[bossetti]

Wanted to be a bit motivational lol

 

[Photon]

Closest thing to MENT "feels" in my experiences are Dbol/Mast

Have you ever tried using MENT as a PWO?

 

[newguy2]

That will be fine. Unless you have added a lot of tissue beyond your genetic limit with PED's and need more than TRT to maintain that extra tissue while cutting, TRT with GLP is going to be more than adequate. It gets more tricky (really you'd just need a little more test) if you are cutting and you have extra mass on your frame that you added with using PEDs. If you dont eat / plan properly with your stack you can lose a good amount of that extra tissue on a cut.

Not there yet but still going to keep an eye on things and try to be wise with food/deficit. I'm not in a crazy hurry and know that things will not be perfect over the holidays and I'm good with that.

 

[ChemBB]

Have you ever tried using MENT as a PWO?

I've taken it pre-workout sure, not explicitly as a pre-workout though

AAS don't have mental effects for me, including M-tren/Halotestin/Tren etc

 

[Rexysc]

Just a random discussion.

A lot of us experiment with compounds, stacking compounds, dosages, etc.

What changed your physique the most, gave the biggest push together goals, or became a staple in your stacks?

So far it’s been Reta!

 

[Zc7219]

Over the years most work was done by the test. 100%. Test p + Mast p changed my physique the most. Plus 3iu of gh and ive got all i need. I can run for years and still stepping forward day by day

You used test prop the entire time? Damn

 

[GreatOak]

Short term - injectable superdrol.
Long term - test.

 

[Jaxino]

Certainly, a high dosage of testosterone (max 1500) and more than 10iu of human growth hormone.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Slin and gh.

 

[Country Club Hero]

For me it was just a bunch of food and anabolics. Combined for a handful of years and I had packed on a shitload of mass. Wasn’t really clean food either but I never got over 16% bf. Now I prefer staying between 10-12% bf year round but retained much of the mass.

So for me it was the tried and true gear and food. Didn’t take long.

 

[BigDadd7]

For me it was just a bunch of food and anabolics. Combined for a handful of years and I had packed on a shitload of mass. Wasn’t really clean food either but I never got over 16% bf. Now I prefer staying between 10-12% bf year round but retained much of the mass.

So for me it was the tried and true gear and food. Didn’t take long.

When we say "compound" we are, of course, referring to "gear." Specifically, which individual "gear" was your favorite?

 

[wells14]

When we say "compound" we are, of course, referring to "gear." Specifically, which individual "gear" was your favorite?

Bodybuilderone is his favourite compound

 

[ve79]

I always thought deca was supposed to be a mild steroid. But after reading here I'm not so sure. My go to was always Test, Deca, Primo and sprinkle some orals in.

It's all dependent on your bio genetics. We all react to things differently. I respond incredibly to Deca combined with test . I get super strong and feel amazing a course using test as my base at 300 and Deca at 250. The draw back is water but who cares it's winter. I love Deca

 

[Astartes]

I really loathe these blanket posts, as they bring out mass delusion and conjecture masquerading as informed and experienced input.

Everyone’s biology responds to hormones differently. On paper there are certainly hormones that _should_ result in more dramatic results given _identical_ inputs from multiple factors.

The fact is it is exceptionally complex.

That is just the problem. Even the most disciplined and educated bodybuilders or health nuts absolutely cannot replicate exact identical inputs.

Then… Inevitably …. you have the Tren Heads who pipe up.

Experience says most of them have very little or limited years of experience with most hormones let alone Tren.

Fact is… a person would benefit significantly more from discussing diet… but that just isn’t as alluring as what folks perceive as a cheat code to physique.

That is….

Until you discover the magic of how to manipulate your body by being dedicated and eating intelligently.

Once you do….

Diet becomes much more interesting and I would say rivals or eclipses PEDs in intrigue and possibility.

 

[jan912]

NPP+Superdrol

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

I really loathe these blanket posts, as they bring out mass delusion and conjecture masquerading as informed and experienced input.

Everyone’s biology responds to hormones differently. On paper there are certainly hormones that _should_ result in more dramatic results given _identical_ inputs from multiple factors.

The fact is it is exceptionally complex.

That is just the problem. Even the most disciplined and educated bodybuilders or health nuts absolutely cannot replicate exact identical inputs.

Then… Inevitably …. you have the Tren Heads who pipe up.

Experience says most of them have very little or limited years of experience with most hormones let alone Tren.

Fact is… a person would benefit significantly more from discussing diet… but that just isn’t as alluring as what folks perceive as a cheat code to physique.

That is….

Until you discover the magic of how to manipulate your body by being dedicated and eating intelligently.

Once you do….

Diet becomes much more interesting and I would say rivals or eclipses PEDs in intrigue and possibility.

I hope you feel better after sharing that. Makes sense, still not 100% accurate. Compounds do matter, and there are general consensus.

 

[cousinmuscles]

It's definitely toxic, no getting around that.

I had this conversation with a coach yesterday tho - guys taking 600 - 1000 mg masteron weekly instead of tren are not exactly winning over guys taking 20 mg tren daily. masteron / DHT's wreck HDL also. Lots of us are on aggressive lipid lowering treatment to minimize LDL impact. In terms of the "same results" at least aesthetically I think the only thing that comes close to tren would be a combination of mast and winny, both of which are going to wreck the lipid profile also. Now we can get into the details of all the other tren related toxicities (there are many), but at a dosage of less than 140 mg per week run for 4 to 6 weeks, i'm curious as to what the other options would be to achieve that same look / results. They seem to all include other lipid-killing compounds that are similarly toxic at the effective dosages needed to approximate tren. Hell even 50 mg of winny per day is 2x the total weekly androgen load of a 20 mg daily tren ace.

Problem with masteron is it wont give you aggression and anti gravity effects of tren, I found it makes muscles hard but dry, and at higher dosages both primo and mast suck out a bit too much water and I start losing strength in big lifts (while gaining strength in small lifts like curls). And they crush HDL and mast fucks lipids pretty bad. I only tried masteron once and gave away the rest of the vials to a buddy lol. I hyped him up saying it will mask estrogen sides and make you look ripped and hard, said I looked like I was on tren, he tried it and kept asking if I was sure I gave him the right vials. LOL!

I have been recently been using primobolan, only problem I have had so far with it is PIP and inflammation. I brewed it to 200mg/ml first which is unusable, diluted to 50mg/ml which still gave me elevated CRP levels (and thus other markers follow unfortunately) but I used EO only. Next attempt is in GSO at 50mg/ml. If this doesn't work out then its just test and AI for the first phase of a cycle, then test and NPP, then maybe test/NPP/ment and eventually tren ace as a preworkout. Maybe use EQ instead of primobolan if it gives good enough gains to be worth it. Of course nandrolone is nandrolone but I believe if it is used sparingly it is worth it. Test and primo proved to give better gains than higher test each time for me. Have to admit first that my main goal is not appearance but test/primo/NPP/GH made me look excellent, enough that I wouldn't look back at using trenbolone again

BTW just so you know winstrol is hella toxic, top tier liver toxic stuff. I don't tolerate orals so well unfortunately.

I am also going to follow Ghouls advice for managing lipids with pitavastatin, ezetimibe and bempedoic acid and possibly low dose retatrutide (or dulatide or what it's called). Already use high dose fish oil, 2g niacin, glutathione, metformin. If I could do it all with high dose of test I would but it just isn't enough, and really high doses of test just make me feel crap without increasing the gains, as with all other compounds. So no other option other than doing this whole whacky science project lol.

 

[johnjay06]

Reta and HGH made drastic changes to my body this year. I didn't think at my age I could have a 6 pack again, but here I am

 

[oldgrey]

This has been an interesting post - and great idea / question.
It's amazing how different everyone is!
For example, I haven't tried NPP/Deca (yet) but I am surprised to see multiple people speaking to NPP as revolutionary to their physique as often these compounds get trashed in recent times. Makes me want to try it, although I am gyno prone..
Then you have many people speaking to the abilities of tren - yet for me it doesn't live up to the hype when I have tried it (albeit twice max 150mg/week in a deficit, multiple sources) - Makes me want to try it in an off season as I didn't really get considerable sides from it!

Although I hate to say it, I think "Test is best" - because without it, none of us are going anywhere really. And it is amazing what can be done with Test only (+ E2 control).

Also funny how this thread just made me want to do more steroids - but that what this forum is for LOL.