Photon
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Lowers IGF-1 i believe.
Ive never gotten any visible sides with it so i cant really comment on anything else. What it does is that it gives you more time to dial in your AI dose.
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Turkeybuilder's first cycle! SUBQ ONLY!
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Lowers IGF-1 i believe.
Ive never gotten any visible sides with it so i cant really comment on anything else. What it does is that it gives you more time to dial in your AI dose.
Turkeybuilder
Member
This is a good reasonable explanation and response. Thank you. I just haven’t experienced negatives yet due to a high E2 and im sure I will at some point during my cycle so I will keep this in mind.
Turkeybuilder
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So to make the weekly averages simple we're going to use November 9th-November 15th (sun-sat) as week 1 of the cycle, even though I "officially" started on November 6th. This way it makes it more simple for my notepad to track my weights.
Week 1 average weight: 167.7lb (Previous week 165.3)
(+2.4lb)
Definitely gained a lot more weight than I expected to, especially since I didn't veer off of my 2500-2700 calories a day. There was like 3 days in a row where I just went from 164 straight to 167 and I can't really explain why.
I know we're only 1 week in (technically 10 days), so I can't expect much of a change... Body fat looks the same. Still visible top 4 abs when I flex. Strength on all of my lifts have either maintained or gone up by a rep or in weight. That might just be from coming off of a cut and not necessarily the cycle though.
My thoughts so far..
Tolerating daily sub-q well so far. Just one site gave me some problems (hip) and I'm never going to pin there again. Still feeling the lump. Sleeping sucks because of it lmao
Excited to see how my end of week 4 labs / physique pictures compare to Day 1.
Week 1 average weight: 167.7lb (Previous week 165.3)
(+2.4lb)
Definitely gained a lot more weight than I expected to, especially since I didn't veer off of my 2500-2700 calories a day. There was like 3 days in a row where I just went from 164 straight to 167 and I can't really explain why.
I know we're only 1 week in (technically 10 days), so I can't expect much of a change... Body fat looks the same. Still visible top 4 abs when I flex. Strength on all of my lifts have either maintained or gone up by a rep or in weight. That might just be from coming off of a cut and not necessarily the cycle though.
My thoughts so far..
Tolerating daily sub-q well so far. Just one site gave me some problems (hip) and I'm never going to pin there again. Still feeling the lump. Sleeping sucks because of it lmao
Excited to see how my end of week 4 labs / physique pictures compare to Day 1.
Slowww
Member
Idk why people are saying sub q sucks. I know of some very high level guys who were given sub q shots through off season& or cruise and swap to IM when they will prep or blast and go to stage so that it doesn’t leave any lumps that last longer than usual (which can occur via sub q). The lumps can happen anywhere btw bro
Turkeybuilder
Member
I know I just meant usually I can tolerate lumps on my outer thighs / stomach / even upper glutes but these hip welts kick my ass because they stop me from sleeping / sitting normal lmao
Slowww
Member
Oh yeah for sure, just wanted to let you know if they hadnt happened. Yeah especially if you want to sleep on the side that shit hurts lmao
Eddie.
Member
Because you ain't hardcore if you don't pin it 2 inches deep with a 16G needle bro lol
People are stuck in the past, they don't accept the fact that science evolves and new things could work too besides the tried and true.
I just started tren A subc and man, i fcking love it. I swab a big area, grab the slin pin and shoot it wherever it sits lol, it floats around until i grip it how i want and just push the plunger. No worry where i pin, or hit a nerve, or having a pip that will cripple me for 3 days. It's the best and easiest fcking thing ever related to pinning.
Turkeybuilder
Member
What sites do you rotate for subq?
So far i’ve just been doing outer thighs / upper glutes / stomach sometimes if I feel like my other sites need a break
Eddie.
Member
I'm only doing glutes and side hips, so i rotate 4 spots. I have a big spot on glute and a big spot on hip which i can turn and pinch the skin. In glutes i go straight at 45*. I've never done stomach and never will.
Turkeybuilder
Member
try outer thigh, its the most botherless shit ever lol
Eddie.
Member
Nah, I have a dick skin in my legs and very very little fat. I wouldn’t do either subc or IM there. I get the convenience but I’ll pass.
superfluous
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How's the progress?
Turkeybuilder
Member
Tomorrow marks the end of week 2. Ill have an “official” progress update then, but at the moment i honestly feel absolutely no different than day 1 lmao
Lifts have either been the same or gone up very marginally, been consistently hitting 180-200g protein and 2500-2700 cals.
Running out of spots to hit sub-q with lmao but other than that no complaints so far
Photon
Member
Turkeybuilder
Member
delts wouldnt work for me. Im managing pretty well with like 3-4 different spots on each of my legs and upper glutes so far lol
Turkeybuilder
Member
Hello today marks the end of week 2 and the start of week 3.
Week 1 average weight: 167.7lb (Previous week 165.3)
Week 2 average weight: 168.4lb (+0.7lb)
I maintained eating at 2500-2700 calories. Been hitting 180-200g protein daily. Weight seems to be slowly going back and forth between the days but the trend is now clear that I'm steadily gaining weight. Looking for the advice of some of you for this coming week if anyone reads this... Should I increase my calories to 2700-3000 calories a week? Or are we content with a 0.7lb gain on the week. Eyeball test tells me BF% has not changed even in the slightest. Probably impossible to tell day to day / week to week mirror checks. I'll be taking photos at the end of week 4 and compare with my day 0 photos.
I feel the same. Strength feels the same. Mental feels the same-ish (maybe a little short tempered honestly). Tolerating daily sub-q relatively well. Got a couple knots here and there but that's expected and even happened when I was doing my trt EOD dosages.
Should I be expecting any noticeable difference at this point? or is my progress normal for a first time test cycle?
Week 1 average weight: 167.7lb (Previous week 165.3)
Week 2 average weight: 168.4lb (+0.7lb)
I maintained eating at 2500-2700 calories. Been hitting 180-200g protein daily. Weight seems to be slowly going back and forth between the days but the trend is now clear that I'm steadily gaining weight. Looking for the advice of some of you for this coming week if anyone reads this... Should I increase my calories to 2700-3000 calories a week? Or are we content with a 0.7lb gain on the week. Eyeball test tells me BF% has not changed even in the slightest. Probably impossible to tell day to day / week to week mirror checks. I'll be taking photos at the end of week 4 and compare with my day 0 photos.
I feel the same. Strength feels the same. Mental feels the same-ish (maybe a little short tempered honestly). Tolerating daily sub-q relatively well. Got a couple knots here and there but that's expected and even happened when I was doing my trt EOD dosages.
Should I be expecting any noticeable difference at this point? or is my progress normal for a first time test cycle?
Ateam2023
Member
Well tbh , your probably not eating enough calories, i understand not wanting to spill over and gain fat , but you are barely eating above maintenance, I realize its only 3 weeks in , do you plan on ramping up the food?
Turkeybuilder
Member
After some discussion I decided i’m going to increase my protein intake to 200-220g/day, and I will see what my weekly weight does in this following week. (Week 2>week 3)
If it’s less than 1lb increase i’ll increase my cals to 2700-3000. Of course i’m still only on week 3 of my cycle so i’m not even fully saturated and shouldn’t be expecting some crazy changes just yet
Ateam2023
Member
Most people increase carbs during a bulk , protein as well , i'm curious what your carb intake is during the day as far as grams?
Turkeybuilder
Member
It depends on the day. Unfortunately meal prepping every meal for me isn’t realistic and sometimes I just need to have random meals on the fly and make due. i 100% always hit my protein goals but some days my carbs are 220-250 and other days its 300+. Depends how much time I have in the day for more ideal meals
