Growth from 18iu GH worth the price?

[xrayphoton13]

Fitzwater is full of shit too.

I wouldn't doubt it. The whole education thing really threw me for a loop. He was saying he never studied in school but aced everything. Then he got into pharmacy school years earlier than anyone else ever did and with better grades. But the way he talks he just doesn't sound very educated. He kept saying winstrol thins the skin and that he can understand why because of his pharmacy background but then didn't explain it.

Really reminded me of Kelly from The Office: "This summer, I did the minority executive training program at Yale. You guys, I'm, like, really smart now. You don't even know. You could ask me, “Kelly, what's the biggest company in the world?” And I'd be like, “blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah,” giving you the exact right answer."

 

[Adi18]

This never works out. Look at Bostin Loyd he was not even going to turn pro or that large of a physique and he blasted more gear than anyone. The guys at the top are not there because of their dosages. No amount of drugs in the world will make up for the training and food intake and consistency it takes to grow to an open pro.

You havent mentioned food intake once. You are not going to compete in open bodybuilding with the mutants with this approach.

This is the problem with bodybuilding today. It's the push more drugs concept. Look at rich piana, his plan was run a 7k cycle and didn't even place top ten so he quits competing. And now he's dead. Where do you think growth comes from. Calories. I listen to the old school bodybuilders lately like Dorian yates, Lee priest, Tom platz, Mike menzter etc. It was about food and training hard, the doses they took were minimal compared to now. I look at these social media types and they get a chance to do leg day with Tom platz. They cant even come close. They're tapping out and he's like yeah, not ideal, at least you understand what traning to failure is now. I haven't seen a guy come close to dorian yates, his size and his dieting was bar none for competing. Keep it up

 

[Adi18]

Please inform me with your intelligence where I went wrong my friend.

You didn't run enough gh to get palumbo gut, that's what the judges look for now

 

[mrsloppyboo]

1800 test
1800 EQ
18iu GH
Astronomical amounts of food
Dbol in and out

I will see you all when I’ve ascended to another realm

 

[Adi18]

Astronomical amounts of food


I will see you all when I’ve ascended to another realm

I find one of the most telling signs of nutrition is both jay cutler and Ronnie Coleman thought they were eating enough when they were trying to win mr olympia. They got a nutrition coach and both of them said the coach told them they had to double their food intake. Like you can see these guys literally struggling to finish meals. It doesn't look fun

 

[mrsloppyboo]

I find one of the most telling signs of nutrition is both jay cutler and Ronnie Coleman thought they were eating enough when they were trying to win mr olympia. They got a nutrition coach and both of them said the coach told them they had to double their food intake. Like you can see these guys literally struggling to finish meals. It doesn't look fun

I experienced this my last off season. It was honestly very strange. My weight stalled, and no matter how much food I downed I couldn’t get it up. I just kept recomping. The more I ate, the fuller I got, and I just kept leaning out and getting bigger. At one point I was downing 7k calories daily at 200lbs and still couldn’t break 200.

Cycle was 2.7g total of test/EQ and 12iu GH. Incredible results regardless of weight staying around the same. Completely different body composition at the end of the cycle. Felt like I was growing daily

That really opened up my eyes as to how anabolic food is. 7k calories and every single calorie went towards fullness while I was getting leaner. I was in disbelief looking at pics from the start of the bulk. I usually put on noticeable fat, not lean out lol

I would imagine this will happen again on this current cycle as well. Pushing 8k will be some hard work but I’ve got it

 

[Adi18]

Have you considered running less eq and more test @mrsloppyboo?

 

[mrsloppyboo]

Have you considered running less eq and more test @mrsloppyboo?

Yes! I played around with it last cycle. Was still a little too puffy with the test at 1500 and EQ at 1200. Found 1:1 is basically perfect for me

Makes it a perfect secondary compound for me too bc I can run it at a high dose and it’s pretty mild. Cheap too

 

[william23kelly]

More of everything is better, but the rule is run as much GH as you can afford, and a fuck ton of insulin with it.

^This is correct

With all respect, This is the same as a broke homeless person telling others how to make it rich in life.
Please show us what you look like to make these claims.

 

[mrsloppyboo]

With all respect, both of you fellas are like a broke homeless person telling others how to make it rich in life.
Please show us what you look like to make these claims.

Speaking of broke lol. I’m curious what you as a big competitor spend per year on AAS and GH? You’re a pretty big dude, I’d imagine food cost Is the most for you.

How much would a full off season cycle cost for you?

I was kinda weighing the pros and cons and came to the conclusion that I am willing to spend $2500 per year for 18iu per day GH lol. Why the heck is my life revolving around bodybuilding if I’m shy about spending $2500 a year on GH? I’m being a greedy jew

A high level competitor I was talking to was giving me some advice regarding PEDs and he told me based off my current progress he believes I’ll be competitive at the national level in the next 1-2 years so that gives me a lot of hope.

I want to be a top level pro more than anything

 

[william23kelly]

Lol so I havent really used GH yet. so $0 on that. But that will change real soon. I get 100iu kits for roughly $175 CAD.
For gear im well connected in Canada so I get very fair prices.

Hahah I agree man, If you have the money then I say go for it and experiment. Maybe put some $ towards a coach too.

Food is 100% where most of my $ goes.

Thats awesome. My 2 cents is that you're trying to plan too much in advanced.

Why not just get some GH and work your way up? Start with 4, go to 6, then 8, then 10, ect. Play around so you know going forward in the future what you get out of it. Maybe you'll be competive at nationals, maybe you wont, maybe you'll go pro. You need to put in the work for some time and then asses what you look like. There is absolutely no predicting when it comes to these things. You will get out what you put in. Do the work and let the results speak.

You're on the path bro. Just remind yourself if you could buy a pro physique lots would have already done it. This stuff gets harder and harder as you progress and you get 1% better each day each session but its all a journey and its fullfiling as fuck.

You use social media? I wanna follow your journey as you get into this
@mrsloppyboo I meant to reply to your post here

 

[william23kelly]

I wouldn't doubt it. The whole education thing really threw me for a loop. He was saying he never studied in school but aced everything. Then he got into pharmacy school years earlier than anyone else ever did and with better grades. But the way he talks he just doesn't sound very educated. He kept saying winstrol thins the skin and that he can understand why because of his pharmacy background but then didn't explain it.

Really reminded me of Kelly from The Office: "This summer, I did the minority executive training program at Yale. You guys, I'm, like, really smart now. You don't even know. You could ask me, “Kelly, what's the biggest company in the world?” And I'd be like, “blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah,” giving you the exact right answer."

This is defined as projection brother. I had friends growing up who were gifted in school and they excelled easily and effortlessly. This happens. One of martins old professors from pharm school literally just recently left a comment on his social media praising his success. Martin literally was working in a pharmacy at one point as an intern. Winstrol does thin the skin. What do you struggle to grasp about it all? You claim he doesn't "sound educated" but we all know the guys who make an effort to sound educated ( todd lee, mike israetel ) are really the last guys you want to take advice from.

If all of this was BS like you imply, I would find that very impressive for him to just pull out of thin hair and make up on a podcast

Idk not tryna ride the guys dick but some of you guys here are straight up bodybuilder haters lol I feel obligated to defend.

 

[mrsloppyboo]

Lol so I havent really used GH yet. so $0 on that. But that will change real soon. I get 100iu kits for roughly $175 CAD.
For gear im well connected in Canada so I get very fair prices.

Hahah I agree man, If you have the money then I say go for it and experiment. Maybe put some $ towards a coach too.

Food is 100% where most of my $ goes.

Thats awesome. My 2 cents is that you're trying to plan too much in advanced.

Why not just get some GH and work your way up? Start with 4, go to 6, then 8, then 10, ect. Play around so you know going forward in the future what you get out of it. Maybe you'll be competive at nationals, maybe you wont, maybe you'll go pro. You need to put in the work for some time and then asses what you look like. There is absolutely no predicting when it comes to these things. You will get out what you put in. Do the work and let the results speak.

You're on the path bro. Just remind yourself if you could buy a pro physique lots would have already done it. This stuff gets harder and harder as you progress and you get 1% better each day each session but its all a journey and its fullfiling as fuck.

You use social media? I wanna follow your journey as you get into this
@mrsloppyboo I meant to reply to your post here

Crazy you haven’t even touched GH yet. Looking crazy dude

Also shoot me a DM for the socials brotha! I have a corny TikTok page only as I am banned on IG lol

I ran 12iu for a few months on my last cycle. It was magical lol. I couldn’t break 200lbs no matter how much I ate, I just get recomping. I ended with the best looking 200lbs I’ve ever had. I experimented a bit and went from clean foods to a mix of dirty and clean just for the sake of getting my calories up. Didn’t make a difference. Just kept getting fuller, bodyfat kept dropping. Genuinely the closest thing to magic I have ever experienced haha

Didn’t matter if I ate 5k, 6k, 7k calories daily, I just kept getting fuller and leaning out. It was the strangest but coolest thing. I was also on 1500 test 1200 EQ at the time

Was expecting to end the blast puffier than I started, as one typically does on a bulk, but I came out of the 24 week push phase and looked like a new human being. Only ran HGH and the Test/ EQ at that dose for 18 weeks. Prior to that was lower dose GH starting on week 6 and 1g test 600mg tren before the GH and EQ arrived

 

[william23kelly]

Crazy you haven’t even touched GH yet. Looking crazy dude

Also shoot me a DM for the socials brotha! I have a corny TikTok page only as I am banned on IG lol

I ran 12iu for a few months on my last cycle. It was magical lol. I couldn’t break 200lbs no matter how much I ate, I just get recomping. I ended with the best looking 200lbs I’ve ever had. I experimented a bit and went from clean foods to a mix of dirty and clean just for the sake of getting my calories up. Didn’t make a difference. Just kept getting fuller, bodyfat kept dropping. Genuinely the closest thing to magic I have ever experienced haha

Didn’t matter if I ate 5k, 6k, 7k calories daily, I just kept getting fuller and leaning out. It was the strangest but coolest thing. I was also on 1500 test 1200 EQ at the time

Was expecting to end the blast puffier than I started, as one typically does on a bulk, but I came out of the 24 week push phase and looked like a new human being. Only ran HGH and the Test/ EQ at that dose for 18 weeks. Prior to that was lower dose GH starting on week 6 and 1g test 600mg tren before the GH and EQ arrived

Thx man and will do!

Wow. Thats awesome lol.

Im hopeful I'll get a response like that. I'm a fluffy 240-245lbs right now, would be amazing If I could add GH. recomp and be a lean 240. Dec 1st I will start 5iu daily. Will go to 10iu most likely.

I do the same, hell even Jay cutler would do the same in the off season. Clean meals throughout the day, get your protein in, and finish the day off with some high calorie junk. It's the only way Jay was able to get his weight up he claimed. Maybe all that test n eq had your metabolism so high you just burned through everything. Calories really drive the weight gain. So maybe you would be better off with less gear. Perhaps your estradiol was overly supressed from the EQ that you were unable to put on actual tissue as this seems to be the case amongst crashed estrogen. Im just theorizing here

I've never used that much Test. I honestly feel pretty rough and get sides even above 500mg. I aromatize like a mf. Dec1st though I will start 800mg Cyp. + GH.

 

[cousinmuscles]

Speaking of broke lol. I’m curious what you as a big competitor spend per year on AAS and GH? You’re a pretty big dude, I’d imagine food cost Is the most for you.

How much would a full off season cycle cost for you?

I was kinda weighing the pros and cons and came to the conclusion that I am willing to spend $2500 per year for 18iu per day GH lol. Why the heck is my life revolving around bodybuilding if I’m shy about spending $2500 a year on GH? I’m being a greedy jew

A high level competitor I was talking to was giving me some advice regarding PEDs and he told me based off my current progress he believes I’ll be competitive at the national level in the next 1-2 years so that gives me a lot of hope.

I want to be a top level pro more than anything

Everything is relative. $2500 is not much for me if its on an annual basis. A friend of mines supercar needs $2500 for the smallest service which he does after a track day, so literally pocket change.

 

[william23kelly]

Everything is relative. $2500 is not much for me if its on an annual basis. A friend of mines supercar needs $2500 for the smallest service which he does after a track day, so literally pocket change.

Exactly. $2500 is a lot to me regardless lol

 

[mrsloppyboo]

Thx man and will do!

Wow. Thats awesome lol.

Im hopeful I'll get a response like that. I'm a fluffy 240-245lbs right now, would be amazing If I could add GH. recomp and be a lean 240. Dec 1st I will start 5iu daily. Will go to 10iu most likely.

I do the same, hell even Jay cutler would do the same in the off season. Clean meals throughout the day, get your protein in, and finish the day off with some high calorie junk. It's the only way Jay was able to get high weight up he claimed. Maybe all that test n eq had your metabolism so high you just burned through everything. Calories really drive the weight gain. So maybe you would be better off with less gear. Im just theorizing though.

I've never used that much Test. I honestly feel pretty rough and get sides even above 500mg. I aromatize like a mf. Dec1st though I will start 800mg Cyp. + GH.

Good stuff man. You’ll love it

Yes my metabolism was through the roof on that much gear. I was growing faster than I ever have. I was talking to an open competitor at my gym. He competed with Nick walker years ago when Nick walker was competing for his pro card. Dude is the biggest human being I’ve ever seen in my life. He told me that just bc of my age and where I am in my journey and being so new to it, it’s normal to stall at 200lbs and I’ll be able to push past that as I physically mature

The cycle prior to that I ran 750 test 600 deca. After around the 12 week mark my metabolism was ramped up A LOT and I could eat like a pig and still recomp at 200lbs

Now of course my 200lbs on 750 test 600 deca is nothing compared to my 200lbs on 2.7g and 12iu GH. Only 30 weeks apart and I looked like a new person. I truly do believe HGH was the game changer. That and 2.7g of course lol.

Despite the higher metabolism I absolutely gained a LOT more on the higher doses. I also tolerate it very well.

I get no sides on 1500 test 1200 EQ. And 12iu GH I’m just lethargic and hands are stiff, but nothing bothers me to the point that it effects my recovery ability or my eating, which is all that matters

I am not a hyper responder, I’ve been told I’m a good responder, however I do think I have great genetics for tolerating gear lol. 19nors and me don’t mix, but test and EQ I can run all day

 

[mrsloppyboo]

Everything is relative. $2500 is not much for me if its on an annual basis. A friend of mines supercar needs $2500 for the smallest service which he does after a track day, so literally pocket change.

I make like 20k a year maximum currently

 

[Isrrike]

Exactly. $2500 is a lot to me regardless lol

Yea I’ve seen you in my gym I believe we have the same friends. You look pro material for sure especially not running gh yet you literally look like you’ve been on gh and slin with how your muscle bellies fill out in person brother. Can’t wait to see what you mutate into. You have the genetics for it 100% I’m excited. Come to pm&f more often!

 

[cousinmuscles]

I make like 20k a year maximum currently

I used to make less than that in a western country too, things can change if you believe they can and you set your mind to it though.