Nandrolone Does Not Aromatize: 1.2g Nand = 15 E2

[ChemBB]

Meant to post this but been busy.

Here's bloods after 8 weeks on 1.2g Nandrolone and no Test. (800mg Deca + 400mg NPP, pinned daily)

 

[Cman90]

How do you feel not running any T?

 

[ChemBB]

I felt fine but started to lose morning erections towards the end

After I got these bloods back I put Test back in ASAP for the E2 production, LOL!

Now doing 0.15-0.20mL of Test C 250 daily (37-50mg)

 

[Liter O' Test]

looks like you need 2.4g

thanks for posting, this is some real important stuff we dont see

I did this dose of nandrolone before and i felt like i didnt have enough DHT to balance it out, besides the mood effects i just didnt have the neuromuscular drive in the gym on mostly deca.

prolactin?

 

[ChemBB]

prolactin?

Middle of the range -- but unfortunately, I am RX'ed a Dopamine Agonist (1.5mg Ropinirole) for Restless Legs Syndrome so that could be obscuring the real value/artificially lowering it =(

 

[RockyP]

I think the issue with nandrolone (and Tren) is that they can sensitize our bodies to the impact of estrogen. I always like to keep my
e2 mid range of normal (or lower) when using a 19-nor. Also seems to help with psychological sides. High E2 and 19-nor’s do not mix well at all.

Also these results explain why one of my best cutting cycles ever was 200 test, 400 mast, and 300 NPP. Tons of strength and fullness from the nandrolone with just enough test to keep E2 in range and the masteron to clean up any mess.

 

[ChemBB]

I think the issue with nandrolone (and Tren) is that they can sensitize our bodies to the impact of estrogen. I always like to keep my
e2 mid range of normal (or lower) when using a 19-nor. Also seems to help with psychological sides. High E2 and 19-nor’s do not mix well at all.

I'm pretty sure my E2 is at least 100pg/mL right now, not sure what you mean

 

[RockyP]

I'm pretty sure my E2 is at least 100pg/mL right now, not sure what you mean

Gyno, psychological and sexual side effects. YMMV of course. Just what I’ve seen and experienced myself.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Correct. An LC-MS/MS will show you the deca only methods are not sufficient for reasonable e2 levels.

 

[Photon]

Meant to post this but been busy.

Here's bloods after 8 weeks on 1.2g Nandrolone and no Test. (800mg Deca + 400mg NPP, pinned daily)

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Did the DBOL help?
What dose?

 

[RockyP]

Correct. A LC-MS/MS will show you the deca only methods are not sufficient for reasonable e2 levels.

What’s interesting is Arnold and Co took Deca dbol and primo. The Deca and primo don’t aromatize. The dbol aromatizes but I don’t think the primo metabolite that is an AI for some people would impact formation of the methyl estradiol coming from DBol (could be off on that). So they were able to basically run 2 non aromatizing compounds and just sprinkle in the dbol as needed. Kind of interesting approach though I don’t think they actually knew this level of what they were doing.

 

[Photon]

What’s interesting is Arnold and Co took Deca dbol and primo. The Deca and primo don’t aromatize. The dbol aromatizes but I don’t think the primo metabolite that is an AI for some people would impact formation of the methyl estradiol coming from DBol (could be off on that). So they were able to basically run 2 non aromatizing compounds and just sprinkle in the dbol as needed. Kind of interesting approach though I don’t think they actually knew this level of what they were doing.

I'm running DBOL now with 0 e2.
It's a rollercoaster ranging from spicy nips to sore joints and feeling really good after pinning it and feeling like crap when it wears off.

 

[dinfaralt]

nandrolone converted at 20% rate of testosterone into estrogen in the animal studies.

that would mean 1g = 200mg test which obviously isnt true in humans

ive seen a guy run 700mg weekly and his e2 was in single digits.

it would be interesting to see if you ran the nandrolone higher if you would get higher estrogen or its just not possible to get higher estrogen and the real significant conversion is something like prolactin>limited test>e2 which is super limited and explains why its so hard to get high e2 with 1.2g nandrolone and see where you cap out

and not nandrolone itself aromatizing that is significant in any way or possible.

thanks for sharing the forum has been dead for a few weeks lol

 

[Earthworm Jim]

nandrolone converted at 20% rate of testosterone into estrogen in the animal studies.

that would mean 1g = 200mg test which obviously isnt true in humans

ive seen a guy run 700mg weekly and his e2 was in single digits.

it would be interesting to see if you ran the nandrolone higher if you would get higher estrogen or its just not possible to get higher estrogen and the real significant conversion is something like prolactin>limited test>e2 which is super limited and explains why its so hard to get high e2 with 1.2g nandrolone and see where you cap out

and not nandrolone itself aromatizing that is significant in any way or possible.

thanks for sharing the forum has been dead for a few weeks lol

I just read your name

 

[Maiandros88]

Meant to post this but been busy.

Here's bloods after 8 weeks on 1.2g Nandrolone and no Test. (800mg Deca + 400mg NPP, pinned daily)

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my first ever cycle before 23 years was Thai pinks dbol with Deca organon, if I remember correctly was 8 pinks 40mg dbol with 3 amps of Deca 600 mg nandrolone, I have gained in 8 weeks almost 10 kilos … so that cycles back in the day definitely worked

 

[Liter O' Test]

my first ever cycle before 23 years was Thai pinks dbol with Deca organon, if I remember correctly was 8 pinks 40mg dbol with 3 amps of Deca 600 mg nandrolone, I have gained in 8 weeks almost 10 kilos … so that cycles back in the day definitely worked

yeah youre forgetting the bloat we all had in the days before a.i lol

 

[xrayphoton13]

What’s interesting is Arnold and Co took Deca dbol and primo. The Deca and primo don’t aromatize. The dbol aromatizes but I don’t think the primo metabolite that is an AI for some people would impact formation of the methyl estradiol coming from DBol (could be off on that). So they were able to basically run 2 non aromatizing compounds and just sprinkle in the dbol as needed. Kind of interesting approach though I don’t think they actually knew this level of what they were doing.

I'm not if we have a way of knowing the answer to this but I just assumed if primo acts as an AI that it would affect any aromatization whether it's to e2 or methyl e2.
I think it's just that dbol works so fast that it doesn't matter. Similar to if you took TNE.
I think we've known for a while now that nandrolone doesn't usually aromatize the 20% of testosterone that has been preached over the years. It just gets missed bc the bro talk is so much louder.
Here is an article for about 16 years ago questioning how much nandrolone aromatizes: Does Nandrolone Aromatize Into An Estrogen?

 

[Cyp180]

Meant to post this but been busy.

Here's bloods after 8 weeks on 1.2g Nandrolone and no Test. (800mg Deca + 400mg NPP, pinned daily)

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Nandrolon needs Testo to aromatize i think

 

[Maiandros88]

yeah youre forgetting the bloat we all had in the days before a.i lol

Really? Only the dbol aromatized but was not a problem, you didn’t need a.i at all with those cycles, for sure old school was working and the bb back then didn’t have the knowledge and the access to so many information that today bb have