sp5der - QUALITY US DOMESTIC

[TeaSleep333]

It’s ok it’s already decided. Prices going to stay at $35

Going to keep delivering quality product and keep improving where we find areas to improve in

Nothing better than consistency, man.

 

[Oldhand]

@sp5der, don’t listen to the people whispering in your ear about raising vial prices to $45 or $50. That’s how it starts. Sweet honey words like “premium,” “quality,” “you deserve it”… and next thing you know, nobody’s buying from you anymore.

I’ve cracked the code. It’s a psy-op. They’re not trying to help you, they’re trying to redirect traffic elsewhere. Raise the prices, scare people off, and boom, customers magically appear somewhere else.

Nice try though. I see the plan. Stay strong, don’t fall for the price-hike propaganda.

There is some truth here for sure. $50 a vial for test 250mg isn’t going to sell. 400mg test can sell for $50 and 500mg can sell for $60.

This “premium” thing…. Your gear is sterile and dosed properly or it is not. No room in this industry for premium. It’s good or garbage.

 

[nobu156]

That wouldn’t even make financial sense. He’d have to now stock multiple types of hardware and run two different brewing processes.

Relax. I was speaking mostly hypothetically, as I believe he was in referencing his 'experiment', but we see a similar strategy used by vendors who sell hgh.

Broadly though, you're incorrect. If a brand can capture price sensitive and luxury customers by tiering their offerings, does that "not even make financial sense"? Take a car with a base sound system and a premium one, is it idiotic to have the premium one given that they have to have two skus, two BOMs? Or does it make sense because they mark it up?

 

[sp5der]

Relax. I was speaking mostly hypothetically, as I believe he was in referencing his 'experiment', but we see a similar strategy used by vendors who sell hgh.

Broadly though, you're incorrect. If a brand can capture price sensitive and luxury customers by tiering their offerings, does that "not even make financial sense"? Take a car with a base sound system and a premium one, is it idiotic to have the premium one given that they have to have two skus, two BOMs? Or does it make sense because they mark it up?

We see it with Porsche cheapening their brand with their SUV offerings to make more sales

 

[New2theGame!!]

There is some truth here for sure. $50 a vial for test 250mg isn’t going to sell. 400mg test can sell for $50 and 500mg can sell for $60.

This “premium” thing…. Your gear is sterile and dosed properly or it is not. No room in this industry for premium. It’s good or garbage.

This is exactly what I was referring to as well. Well said.

 

[Cman90]

TL;DR

sp5: "What should my price be?"

readalot:

 

[Chadlitee]

still waiting on the results for the tren A new batch or you already have it?

 

[Dumbellsanonymous]

but regardless, anything you buy from me will have raw testing before it’s made and finished product testing after. and what you receive will test within a few % of my test because of jano variance etc

there will never be a tc250 that tests at 220 or 270

takes 100 good doings to build a reputation and one bad doing to ruin it

All that matters really to me

 

[readalot]

It’s good or garbage.

So take all the improvements as they come and roll them into "good"? Enjoy them, but they are on the house.

Appreciate your honest assessment. That would result in no driving force for improvement and no point for those who want to improve stuff.

Sterile and "properly dosed". Check.

Raw purity? No matter. Hardware? Forget it. Right materials for the job, filters, leaching, etc? Nah..

Got it. Good or garbage. Simple.

 

[Infernalmango]

So take all the improvements as they come and roll them into "good"? Enjoy them, but they are on the house.

Appreciate your honest assessment. That would result in no driving force for improvement and no point for those who want to improve stuff.

Sterile and "properly dosed". Check.

Raw purity? No matter. Hardware? Forget it. Right materials for the job, filters, leaching, etc? Nah..

Got it. Good or garbage. Simple.

Can you give an example of a good roi in your opinion? 100%? 200? 500? Just curious what type of profit you expect vendors to be shooting for.

 

[sp5der]

still waiting on the results for the tren A new batch or you already have it?

Janoshik Analytical

That’s the batch in mig812 taking preorders for it since some wanted to make orders before open in January about 100 vials left of that tren mig812 batch. 2 week wait time on those orders

 

[johnjay06]

That’s the batch in mig812 taking preorders for it since some wanted to make orders before open in January about 100 vials left of that tren mig812 batch. 2 week wait time on those orders

So I can preorder now and not have to wait? I assumed you was closed and not taking any orders right now, that's why I didn't bother

 

[sp5der]

So I can preorder now and not have to wait? I assumed you was closed and not taking any orders right now, that's why I didn't bother

Yeah we opened preorders and took probably close to 50 so far. Those are set to ship on 1st January. Figured it’d save some time already knowing what to pack and ship versus taking all orders at once, having to take payment, having to wait for payment, pack and ship at the same time

It doesn’t really matter, I’m going to be super busy either way. Making new batches sending for testing and packing and shipping. This just if you don’t mind a 2 week wait time

 

[readalot]

Can you give an example of a good roi in your opinion? 100%? 200? 500? Just curious what type of profit you expect vendors to be shooting for.

Since hell has frozen over and we are in heated agreement, ask Rido.

What the hell do I know? He has actually stuck his neck out and possesses real world experience in this area.

Risk their freedom? That is a hell of a premium for someone trying to do things right and set AAS apart from reg rec drugs in a race to the bottom price wise.

 

[BALLISTIC]

In my opinion, and investment mindset. If it were me, A healthy, non gouging vendor is usually targeting 150–300% ROI over full cycle of capital. That's solid practice.

That sounds big until you factor in the why's...

A healthy business practice outside this environment can survive on 15-30%.

Why's....
No legal protection
Capital seizure
Inventory loss
No financing backing typically unless...
No scaling safety
No insurance
High failure rate
Long cash conversion cycles in this conversions BTC

This might seem huge but factor in these circumstances for clarity.

Covers losses and reship issues, scam reship
Allows testing, good materials
Pays for time (priceless)
Leaves buffer for bad times, increasing
Encourages consistency without desperation

Maybe I'm wrong, what say you ridiculous?

Edit: for typos

 

[sp5der]

In my opinion, and investment mindset. If it were me, A healthy, non gouging vendor is usually targeting 150–300% ROI over full cycle of capital. That's solid practice.

That sounds big until you factor in the why's...

A healthy business practice outside this environment can survive on 15-30%.

Why's....
No legal protection
Capital seizure
Inventory loss
No financing backing typically unless...
No scaling safety
No insurance
High failure rate
Long cash conversion cycles kids in this conversions BTC

This might seen huge but factor in these circumstances for clarity.

Covers losses and reship issues, scam reship
Allows testing, good materials
Pays for time (priceless)
Leaves buffer for bad times, increasing
Encourages consistency without desperation

Maybe I'm wrong, what say you ridiculous?

I do not fully understand this message can you re-word it

 

[BALLISTIC]

I do not fully understand this message can you re-word it

Sorry I was reply to infernalmangos question.

 

[readalot]

I do not fully understand this message can you re-word it

He was responding to this...

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/sp5der-quality-us-domestic.134433454/post-3671445

 

[Infernalmango]

Since hell has frozen over and we are in heated agreement, ask Rido.

What the hell do I know? He has actually stuck his neck out and possesses real world experience in this area.

Risk their freedom? That is a hell of a premium for someone trying to do things right and set AAS apart from reg rec drugs in a race to the bottom price wise.

Just looking for your opinion brother. You know the price of raw materials. Anybody with a little research can figure out what most these guys are making. I’m not saying to undervalue the risk either or anything. Genuinely want your thoughts on a number

 

[Walter Hype]

There is some truth here for sure. $50 a vial for test 250mg isn’t going to sell. 400mg test can sell for $50 and 500mg can sell for $60.

This “premium” thing…. Your gear is sterile and dosed properly or it is not. No room in this industry for premium. It’s good or garbage.

relax man, you act like this source isnt doing things others wont. sure you can argue in the end price is what people care about but i promise you theres a strong market of older less tolerant men with worst immune systems with MONEY who want GOOD and QUALITY. you can not have both at least long term. Not only is he using the best oil hes also using the best stoppers. WHAT exactly is this not worth the premium? 35 a vial for test E with GOOD ingredients is very unheard of and personally speaking id pay for that. you either in this for the long run or just want a fun time and dont care about your body breaking down. both of which is fully valid. 50 dollars for a vial of test? sure pushing the pockets of some people but hes using GOOD quality ingredients which COSTS money.

you either go volume and cheap out to meet a price
or sell small but GO all in with every aspect of your business so you justify the price you wish to charge and each model here has a pro and con.

i personally prefer the small and make what you can sell the best it can possible be but thats just me

not all gear is created equal and this over arching "its either sterile or its not" really falls short for alot of unknowns we have yet to prove or do know. There a heck of alot room for improvement for all aspects in this business and small sources looking to do better than the best should be praised to the highest degree least we stiffle progess with archaic cave man ooga boogas get hurt when newbies figure things out more than they did.

Imagine if this logic stuck from decades ago when people thought passing Ba through some filter makes it sterile? Ogs saying "good enough" but was it? truly?

Progress over stifling and rot please. 100% support for spider.