Test prop for trt

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

I just started test prop for trt. Ive been sick, started right after competition so I havent been to the gym either. Hard to tell how i feel switching from test e/c for years. Im trying to figure out if its better to pin pm or am. I dont want it effecting my sleep. Im trying to mimic natural secretion best i can. Ive been doing it at night hoping that it peaks around the time i wake up but i wond r if im peaking too much while i sleep and causing problems. Im also worried if i do it in the morning im not peaking until the evening and causing sleep issues that way. Anyone who understand drug metabolism or has a lot of experienc with test prop, your input is greatly appreciated.

 

[adrenalytic]

I feel like test prop comes up multiple times a day. Have you tried the search function?

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

I feel like test prop comes up multiple times a day. Have you tried the search function?

Yes. I spent a lot of time there

 

[salladen]

Im injecting Testo P once per day. I have done both right after waking up and now I do it just before going to sleep. There is no diffrence.

The boost of energy you can get hours after injecting testosterone p will only happen the first days, after your levels are stable you will not "feel" it.

 

[BigDadd7]

I'm not that fired up about matching natural secretion. The whole point of supplementing is to go beyond that.

As far as night or day, most of your growth happens at night while you sleep. That seems like an ideal time to peak.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

I'm not that fired up about matching natural secretion. The whole point of supplementing is to go beyond that.

As far as night or day, most of your growth happens at night while you sleep. That seems like an ideal time to peak.

Im on trt not for performance enhancement although that does happen because im 38. I think i will have less e2 sides now and leas mental health negative sides. As men we are meant to have a 24 hr hormone cycle anything more is closer to a women's cycle. I think steroids make you less masculine because of estrogen and basically extending your hormone cycle. I think the longer peaked angrogen exposure messes with your brain along with the unnatural estrogen production also messes with your brain negatively

 

[DigD]

I just started test prop for trt. Ive been sick, started right after competition so I havent been to the gym either. Hard to tell how i feel switching from test e/c for years. Im trying to figure out if its better to pin pm or am. I dont want it effecting my sleep. Im trying to mimic natural secretion best i can. Ive been doing it at night hoping that it peaks around the time i wake up but i wond r if im peaking too much while i sleep and causing problems. Im also worried if i do it in the morning im not peaking until the evening and causing sleep issues that way. Anyone who understand drug metabolism or has a lot of experienc with test prop, your input is greatly appreciated.

I'm doing prop now on my trt and it's great. It's second time in my life I'm doing it because I found prop that gives me no PIP. 20 mg a day. Feeling absolutely amazing. Much better than on cycle. I will drop to 15 mg soon. I feel no ups and downs at all. It is unusual to feel ups and downs throughout the day. Also didn't know prop may effects your sleep. I don't have that. I'm glad I can do such little dose and feel so good. I don't know what my levels are right now but definitely nothing crazy. And I'm also doing proviron at 50 mg a day but that will also go down and stop soon. Try proviron. For me it works.

 

[ganciodestro]

I'm doing prop now on my trt and it's great. It's second time in my life I'm doing it because I found prop that gives me no PIP. 20 mg a day. Feeling absolutely amazing. Much better than on cycle. I will drop to 15 mg soon. I feel no ups and downs at all. It is unusual to feel ups and downs throughout the day. Also didn't know prop may effects your sleep. I don't have that. I'm glad I can do such little dose and feel so good. I don't know what my levels are right now but definitely nothing crazy. And I'm also doing proviron at 50 mg a day but that will also go down and stop soon. Try proviron. For me it works.

I can assure you that it’s the Proviron that makes you feel so good

 

[ganciodestro]

was on TRT (if we can even call it that) with testosterone cypionate from 225 mg down to 175 mg. I felt good, but my libido was poor.

I decided to switch to propionate and i tried 20/25/30 mg per day, injected in the evening before going to sleep, and I have to say that in the evening I sleep wonderfully. I just find it harder to wake up in the morning compared to the long ester.

Currently I use 50 mg EOD because it makes me feel better. I definitely have more hormonal fluctuations, but I like it that way, especially in terms of libido

 

[niqTM]

I love Proviron.

 

[BALLISTIC]

I think steroids make you less masculine because of estrogen and basically extending your hormone cycle.

Huh? Keep your E in check. Elaborate on this, I'm genuinely curious how you even came to this conclusion.

Estrogen in men is required for libido, erectile function, mood stability, cognition, bone density, and cardiovascular health. Stable levels.

What can mess with your brain is unstable hormone levels, rapid spikes (propionate) and crashes following. Then of course poor sleep, high hematocrit, blood pressure issues, and neurosteroid imbalance. The list goes on.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

Huh? Keep your E in check. Elaborate on this, I'm genuinely curious how you even came to this conclusion.

Estrogen in men is required for libido, erectile function, mood stability, cognition, bone density, and cardiovascular health. Stable levels.

What can mess with your brain is unstable hormone levels, rapid spikes (propionate) and crashes following. Then of course poor sleep, high hematocrit, blood pressure issues, and neurosteroid imbalance. The list goes on.

I already know all that... The quantity of estrogen does matter sometimes you get up to more than you ever create naturally and sometimes you get lower then you would ever have naturally so you're partially right and balance matters but quantities also matter

 

[BALLISTIC]

I already know all that... The quantity of estrogen does matter sometimes you get up to more than you ever create naturally and sometimes you get lower then you would ever have naturally so you're partially right and balance matters but quantities also matter

It’s estrogen load relative to androgen load, plus stability. Estrogen doesn’t feminize men in isolation, it only causes issues when androgen signaling is insufficient or hormones are unstable. Stability being the most important. Quantity matters yes.

Masculinity is not defined by natural reference ranges. Natural ranges are population averages, not biological ceilings. There are many elite natural males already sit at the top or above reference ranges. Masculine traits scale with androgen receptor activation, not lab flagging level reference ranges.

Estrogen does not become feminizing just because it exceeds prior baseline. Feminization occurs when estrogen dominance exceeds androgen signaling
TRT and AAS increase androgens far more than estrogen. Even with higher absolute E2, the androgen to estrogen ratio remains male dominant.

Men routinely experience estrogen levels higher than natural without loss of masculinity. Puberty (estrogen spikes massively), heavy resistance training, obesity recovery phases, high testosterone natural outliers, none of these make men “less masculine.”

So I'm still confused. I also want to say text has no context, so you're aware I'm not being argumentative. I'm asking for your mindset.

Test/p would put you at a disadvantage by simply not helping keep levels as stable as possible. For some reason it's all over recently. Test/c if directly related to trt or blasting will give far superior stabilization. Especially when dosed daily as Test/p makes this almost a requirement but many do EOD. Again not best for stability. But nothing in any of this detracts from masculinity.

 

[ganciodestro]

Huh? Keep your E in check. Elaborate on this, I'm genuinely curious how you even came to this conclusion.

Estrogen in men is required for libido, erectile function, mood stability, cognition, bone density, and cardiovascular health. Stable levels.

What can mess with your brain is unstable hormone levels, rapid spikes (propionate) and crashes following. Then of course poor sleep, high hematocrit, blood pressure issues, and neurosteroid imbalance. The list goes on.

can say that I partly agree with what @Ridethelightningbarefoot said, because when estrogens aren’t kept under control, you actually feel like a woman during her period. Some people don’t have any side effects from high estrogen, others do.

Personally, I sleep better with testosterone propionate compared to enanthate or cypionate. It may also be because of the drop I experience from the morning injection to the evening before going to bed.

I’ve noticed that the more stable my testosterone levels are (for example, using a long ester EOD), the flatter and more anxious my mood feels.


Whereas using a short ester, even every other day with a higher dosage, makes me feel better.





HCG makes me feel all the side effects of high E2 even when my E2 isn’t actually high.