TRT+ switching from primo to deca kills mood, libido. Curious about other experiences.

[HKOX]

We don't care how many mls. We care how mgs. I ml of 400 mg/ml is the same as 2 ml of 200 mg/ml.

I already said 200mg/ml in my initial comment

 

[Whistles77]

We don't care how many mls. We care how mgs. I ml of 400 mg/ml is the same as 2 ml of 200 mg/ml.

You don't care about volume of subq injections? Personally i don't look forward to even doing 1ml subq at any concentration.

 

[BigDadd7]

You don't care about volume of subq injections? Personally i don't look forward to even doing 1ml subq at any concentration.

It's not that I don't care. If someone is referencing injecting mls subq, I usually choose not to share my opinion on that. I'm not a fan, but I recognize it's an individual choice and a dead horse I'm not willing to beat.

 

[Whistles77]

It's not that I don't care. If someone is referencing injecting mls subq, I usually choose not to share my opinion on that. I'm not a fan, but I recognize it's an individual choice and a dead horse I'm not willing to beat.

Agree. Hope it didnt sound like i was flogging a dead horse, but was genuinely interested in how much people might be doing without side affects.

 

[RockyP]

test / primo / nandrolone is a great stack but these dosages are quite low and I'm wondering if 1) he even needs an AI with the test level he's taking. It sounds like his symptoms are due to the nandrolone itself and / or low E2. As has been suggested by others, MAST pairs very well with nandrolone / 19-nor (not in everyone) and can offset a lot of the psychological / libido diminishing effects of nandrolone. I'm also wondering if he even needs the nandrolone if the joint pain is due to crushed E2.

 

[Adi18]

Add 100-150mg a day of p5p. It's a form of vitamin b6 that lowers prolactin.

 

[TheDuderino85]

My standard TRT protocol of 200mg T puts me at around 660 in the trough. I'm currently running 250T and 150 NPP. Love it, feel amazing, libido is through the roof. My mood is very happy and unbothered so far on the NPP week 2.

 

[TheBulkerOnTheRoof]

I had the same problem myself a couple of years ago when using deca, i switched from using deca to primo and mast and haven't looked back, think it's something to do with the 19 nors and a lack of dht when on them, i only use dht's along with test now and feel great. High dose omega 3 and longvida curcumin literally eliminates my joint pain and I used to be pretty bad with it

 

[HKOX]

I had the same problem myself a couple of years ago when using deca, i switched from using deca to primo and mast and haven't looked back, think it's something to do with the 19 nors and a lack of dht when on them, i only use dht's along with test now and feel great. High dose omega 3 and longvida curcumin literally eliminates my joint pain and I used to be pretty bad with it

Running 600 test (prop and e), 500 eq, 400 deca. Also 150 tren a and 150 mast p. I feel like superman rn

 

[Gjl1020]

Deca does this to most people, but usually, at those doses, most people are good as long as they're pinning more test than nandrolone. It makes me feel like a robot. Not like tripping, just bland. No feelings at all. Weird part is, that doesn't bore the shit out of me like it normally would. I need to be getting pumped about something. It sneaks up too. Gradual. I'll be 4 weeks in before I notice that I just don't give a damn about anything and nothing is worth my attention or time. Also, on the AI use, maybe I missed it but make sure you get those e2 labs or have an actual reason before you just decide you need to add an ai. Crashing e2 sucks. But I'm going to assume you know all that or already addressed it and I overlooked it.

I'm not a doctor or a pro. Just sharing experience. Most of the others here are far more knowledgeable

 

[Jojoejoe]

Deca can be a real mood killer, huh? I've been there. Maybe try dropping the dose a bit and see if that helps. Some guys swear by adding in a little proviron to get things going again . It's all about finding that sweet spot, right? Trial and error, my friend, trial and error!

 

[thejumpingsheep]

Wait... you got join relief on just 100mg DECA? What sort of pain do you have and what did relief feel like to know it worked? Im genuinely curious because a lot of the guys who seem to get pain relief are on higher doses.

I tried 100mg/wk for like 16 weeks straight and nothing... I would kill for joint relief around knees/patella while working out.

 

[JK1]

Wait... you got join relief on just 100mg DECA? What sort of pain do you have and what did relief feel like to know it worked? Im genuinely curious because a lot of the guys who seem to get pain relief are on higher doses.

I tried 100mg/wk for like 16 weeks straight and nothing... I would kill for joint relief around knees/patella while working out.

Its the usual theme...responses vary between people. Some people get joint relief at 50mg/ week of deca.

 

[Mfras]

I’m on 80 deca/week for old man joint smoothness. On top of 300 test. I feel a little better in the knees and elbows for sure, with no added strength to write home about and no noticeable effect on bloodwork, which was exactly what all I was looking for when I added it.

As far as libido I am a big fan of a little mast added in for a lively bedroom and general feelgood plus maybe some gyno insurance. 100-150/week does the trick for me.

Those three along with GH are the pillars of a high cruise stack that I enjoy but also don’t kid myself that it’s ok to just leave in all the time. I’m going back to straight up true TRT this spring or early summer.

 

[JK1]

I’m on 80 deca/week for old man joint smoothness. On top of 300 test. I feel a little better in the knees and elbows for sure, with no added strength to write home about and no noticeable effect on bloodwork, which was exactly what all I was looking for when I added it.

As far as libido I am a big fan of a little mast added in for a lively bedroom and general feelgood plus maybe some gyno insurance. 100-150/week does the trick for me.

Those three along with GH are the pillars of a high cruise stack that I enjoy but also don’t kid myself that it’s ok to just leave in all the time. I’m going back to straight up true TRT this spring or early summer.

Similarish to me. I'm waiting on bloods before maybe bumping deca to 80.

Have you tried primo before mast? If so Did you get the similar feelgood/libido?

Whats your gh dosing and timing approach?

Very much agree on going back to trt. Even if theres no other overt side effects my flatlined HRV and rising resting heart rate is enough of an indicator that theres a price to pay.

 

[Mfras]

Similarish to me. I'm waiting on bloods before maybe bumping deca to 80.

Have you tried primo before mast? If so Did you get the similar feelgood/libido?

Whats your gh dosing and timing approach?

Very much agree on going back to trt. Even if theres no other overt side effects my flatlined HRV and rising resting heart rate is enough of an indicator that theres a price to pay.

I’m currently on 6.6iu/day but haven’t done bloodwork yet to make sure my z-score is under 3. I’m cutting so things will change when I go to maintenance but I plan to drop to 4iu then anyway. I have opti gold tops- 40iu/bottle so 3ml in a bottle is 25 units AM & PM.

Not interested in lower anabolic compounds that need bloodwork to dial in e2/AI effects- EQ I don’t want the blood thickening and primo is too expensive. I just use aromasin for blasts and arimidex for TrT AI.

 

[Gavzilla]

I'm 40, been on TRT for about four years. Like many here, started with a prescriber and then took over myself. I am a licensed medical professional on the clinical side so a little more knowledge than the average bear, but endocrinology is not my specialty. Prescriber had me on test cyp and anastrozole, and when I took over I switched to test-e and primo at about a 1.75 to 1 ratio, always around 175mg T, 100mg primo/week. Functionally this worked well, my mood was good, muscular recovery was fast enough, libido was decent. I am not a hyper responder to testosterone, my total test never got above 700 ng/dl. Bloods always within range, no problem with fats, liver, glucose, etc. Primo, however, gave me huge painful nodules every time I used it. I tried a different source, different injection locations, didn't matter. I've been noticing more joint pain lately after the gym, and decided it was a good excuse to try nandrolone decanoate, since I was really annoyed with the nodules. I knew I'd have to use an AI again if I wasn't on the primo, but I've got a bunch of the anastrozole 0.5mg capsules still laying around. I've been on the test/deca combo for about three weeks now and I'm going to check my hormone levels to see how high my E2 is so I know what my AI dosing should be.

The deca knocked out my joint pain quickly, literally within a week of starting it my joints were feeling better. However, I just have no interest in sex at all, it's not ED, I just don't ever think about it, which I do not like at all. Additionally I feel like my mood is pretty low, I don't feel depressed but I feel mildly annoyed and critical. I know there's a possibility that this is just due to higher E2, but I see people reporting similar sides with deca, even with E2 management. I am not interested in that future.

What are people doing to supplement their TRT other than primo or deca? I'm not trying to get on a cycle here, just look good and feel good. Is the answer just go up to 250mg of test a week and manage the E2? Obviously I know everybody is different and there is no plug and play solution, but I'm interested in what other people have found to be effective in their cruise or TRT level compounds. More information is always better.

Primo is very good for an Ai you could add 50-100 mg of primo again. Deca can effect libido for some